Something new in the air, or the same old thing?

**cliffwalk** · February 20th, 2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by platformone

so... essentially... we're all together - one family... we fight, we bicker, we think one side is bigger or better, but we're all related. so - just deal.

=- Nigel
Dark 80's dance lord.
a.k.a. "spooky"

www.platform-toodarkforthemajors.com

So what you're saying is that in-breeding is the next big thing?

Maybe the "My Brother where Art Thou" soundtrack will get remixed for club play.

Dave

**IntrospecT** · February 22nd, 2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by cliffwalk

So what you're saying is that in-breeding is the next big thing?

Maybe the "My Brother where Art Thou" soundtrack will get remixed for club play.

Dave

Cliff, I've said it before, I'll say it again...you are a sick sick man

**cliffwalk** · February 22nd, 2003, 06:32 PM

There's a fine line between mental illness and genius... I was never able to cross it because I couldn't pass the IQ test.

dave

**pop** · February 22nd, 2003, 08:01 PM

Many artists are changing taste. I think many artists are realiasing LABELING sucks and everyone is trying hard not to be labeled. That is why people are trying new things. Who wants be part of flock of sheeps? Main reason, I enjoy talking like a bastar*
is it gives musicians something to think about. . . 40% of musicians in the FORUM hate my guts. Do I care? NOPE. I probably lose 30 to 40 potential listeners. That really hurt my feeling... That was a sarcasm..... In case you missed it.
If I piss musicans off, they might try harder to sound good and different. That's why I love bashing 80s sound. BASS ME THE BOING BOING...HOLD MY HAND, because you broke my heart....
BOING BOING BASS... ok...MORE SARCASM...

BOING BOING.

**David Vesel** · February 22nd, 2003, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by pop
If I piss musicans off, they might try harder to sound good and different.

That or they'll just start ignoring you.

**pop** · February 22nd, 2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by David Vesel

That or they'll just start ignoring you.

Right, I forgot you are such an innovator.
You got nothing new to learn from others.
I guess your heart is locked on 1987.
That is fine, David.
I already heard lots of improvements by others.
Well... not all of them. Most of them.
There are few exceptions in year 1987.

**emma_stormhatt** · February 23rd, 2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by pop

If I piss musicans off, they might try harder to sound good and different.

Look Pluto, We have an ENG anarchist in our Christmas tree.

**IntrospecT** · February 23rd, 2003, 04:15 PM

Damn Pop....

somebody piss in your cheerios this morning or what? Curious about why this thread went from a positive genre discussion to an "artist roast" anyways?

Let's try and get back to the original topic, or let this topic die. There's no reason to get ugly about this.

Sean

**David Vesel** · February 23rd, 2003, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by pop

Right, I forgot you are such an innovator.
You got nothing new to learn from others.
I guess your heart is locked on 1987.
That is fine, David.
I already heard lots of improvements by others.
Well... not all of them. Most of them.
There are few exceptions in year 1987.

Gee, now who's being oversensitive? I was merely pointing out that your abrasive approach may not have the positive influence you seem to be convinced it has.

And as long as you bring it up, I haven't ever claimed to be any more than I am, which isn't much in the cosmic scheme of things.

You on the other hand seem to be painting yourself as the arbiter of all things innovative. Very cheeky of you to claim that your attitude-laden missives are the cause of "lots of improvement by others". Maybe it's true, but most people who do influence others usually don't go around bragging about it. Press bulletin dude: We don't need another iconoclast.

Sure, you have plenty valuable to say. Just turn your attitude down from 11.

Originally posted by IntrospecT
[b]Damn Pop....

somebody piss in your cheerios this morning or what? Curious about why this thread went from a positive genre discussion to an "artist roast" anyways?

It's okay, Sean.....maybe I can follow E:Moderne into the EGN Top 10....

**Styk** · February 23rd, 2003, 06:51 PM

Right let's get back Goth's bridging the gap to Synthpop....
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

HAHAHAHHAHAAAA..

Styk

Still checking for that email...hohum....lalala
Ok I need to stop now..

**KissTheStar** · February 23rd, 2003, 07:13 PM

Yeah Goth, Neugoth, Darkwave, Dark Electronica. It's all about making the music, the sound, the image, the lifestyle you love.

**pop** · February 23rd, 2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by David Vesel

You on the other hand seem to be painting yourself as the arbiter of all things innovative. Very cheeky of you to claim that your attitude-laden missives are the cause of "lots of improvement by others". Maybe it's true, but most people who do influence others usually don't go around bragging about it. Press bulletin dude: We don't need another iconoclast.
Sure, you have plenty valuable to say. Just turn your attitude down from 11.
It's okay, Sean.....maybe I can follow E:Moderne into the EGN Top 10....

Sorry to embrace musical changes in the world. There is an entire world out there that is changing that is not affecting EGN.
Sometimes, EGN feels like grinding 1st gear.
EGN is not changing, because most people embrace what is in here. That means lots of artists will not change. Why bother work harder? EGN doesn't equal to entire electronica of the world. Instead of fighting the musical technology and new changes, maybe excepting might help you.

Things you should be doing.
1. Check the mood of DJ setlist (Club DJs are senate of Electronica. Ever since, most commercial radio banned
Electronica in US).
2. Don't be afraid to learn new technology.
3. Don't be afraid to listen to new music outside EGN.

Since you seem to take everything personally.
This applies to everyone....
Don't forget about the reality check. The atttidue of
I will listen to your music if you listen to mine will not
going to help you become better artist. It is only leading
you to negative direction of illusion. Do you want to known for mediocore music? It is good to know in early stage where person needs to improve. It is cute and nice
to have these support system, but if you want to improve
two things have to be done. You have to embrace changes
and have reality checks guide you. If you are happy where you are,
that is fine. That already means I probably won't hear any interesting progression of changes from it, so I probably won't even bothering listening to it in first place.

**IntrospecT** · February 23rd, 2003, 07:52 PM

hmmm....can I repeat.....the topic of this is Genre's. Especially the fusion of Synthpop and Gothic. Pop, perhaps you could start your own thread to persue your topic in full. I'm not saying your point is / is not valid, and I'm not trying to stop you from stating said point, but I'm a little vague as to what that has to do with the current subject matter.

As a side note, I feel it takes 3 things to make it in this business.
1: Great musical vision
2: An original sound
3: A positive attitude

guess in your case two out of three is bad. Just my opinion, feel free to start your own thread and bash the hell out of me.

Sean

**pop** · February 23rd, 2003, 08:19 PM

I don't think I lack in those three areas you indicated, because I have reality checks that guide me. I ask for honest opinions from others. I don't ask for opinions from my support groups. I always ask NON-bias strangers where I need to improve and work on the area that needs to be fixed. That's why music schools exist, but I am not saying I want to turn EGN into music school. My goal is not to gain musical respect by winning the popularity contest. I am not trying improve in personality. I am trying to improve as better artist. I guess we all have different goals for art we make. I am not really here to win popularity contest. I am here to make myself a better artist and hope for this genera of music to gain respect instead of falling down from where it used to be in the past.

**Breye 7x** · February 23rd, 2003, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by emma_stormhatt
How about the intermix of synthpop/darkwave/EBM/Goth and fetish/spanking. I though it was a bit fun at first but now i'm starting to get tired of it.

I'm afraid that the spanking thing will be bad for the scen in the long run. It just does not fit because they don't care about the music. Just about the fashion thing.

---I must agree completely. I think that Fetish Fashion stores are largely to blame for this by carrying clothing that Caters largely to the Industrial and Goth Scenes.
Who of Course listen to Synthpop, EBM and the like.

Hot topic is also to Blame, as id Metropolis for Distributing their Compilations and Artists in Ho Topic Outlets.

Electro Industrial/EBM has become tied to the Fetish Scene and Clubs here in America and I think it gives the Music a Bad Name as well.

I Am Not one for Fetish, and I Have noticed at many clubs that it is largely about Play and the Outfits, and Not the Musik.

To say that the 2 should be seperated is now pointless I Guess.

At the Clubs in the U.K. it's Completely Different though. The Music in the Fetish Clubs there tends to Mix in More Trance, House, and Jungle. At Least from What I've Heard and Read.

Breye K. / Provision

**David Vesel** · February 23rd, 2003, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by pop
Since you seem to take everything personally.

Hey, trying to change, making the effort not to, when that isn't the intention. But ironically your potshots at me above didn't bother me, I was actually quite amused that you took it so personal.

Whatever.

As for everything else you wrote, well Stargazer beat us about the head and shoulders over all that stuff a year ago. I think you're making way too many assumptions about artists' intentions.

So....if you want to discuss the topic in a civil manner, I'm all ears.

**Breye 7x** · February 23rd, 2003, 11:13 PM

I am Not into Goth Music or what is Traditionally considered Goth. Yet I guess I Could say I Know Many people that are into the Lifestyle and the scene.

I think that the Goth Scene Embracing Synthpop and EBM is wonderful. I think it expands their scene and they definately look good dancing to Faster Paced stuff than Your Traditional slower Goth Music.

Last Year A Friend of ours submitted My Band Provision to "Gothcon 2002" to Perform there.

We were 1 of 18 Bands that were not Chosen, I we were completely Understanding of Why.

But 1 Month before the Conference we were contacted and asked if we could Fill the Headlining Spot for the Opening Night, Because "Stromkern" Could not Be There to Perfrom.

We Accepted without Hestitation.

Right before we went on Stage the Opening Night, we were scared as hell. we didn't think the Crowd would be into us at all. And were trying to Prepare ourselves for the worst.

But 25 Seconds into our First song, we had the whole Ballroom Packed and Dancing. They Loved Our Sound, and we ended up Selling an Amazing 65 C.D.'s that Night after our Show.

We Met a Lot of Really Awesome People at the Conference and came away with a lot of New Fans in the Process.

We were even called Gothic Synthpop, and Darkwave at the Conference, even though we just consider ourselves Electronic Dance.

The Newest Term that I've heard Steming from the Infusion of Synthpop into Goth & Darkwave is called "Nu Goth".

I Like it, and Hope to see more of the Goth Scene branching in New Directions, because the only way a Scene can stay Alive is to Grow.

Just My 2 Cents.

Breye K. / Provision

**David Vesel** · February 23rd, 2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Breye Kyzer
[b]Right before we went on Stage the Opening Night, we were scared as hell. we didn't think the Crowd would be into us at all. And were trying to Prepare ourselves for the worst.

But 25 Seconds into our First song, we had the whole Ballroom Packed and Dancing. They Loved Our Sound, and we ended up Selling an Amazing 65 C.D.'s that Night after our Show.

If I was about to play to a room full of goths, I think I'd have felt the same way. I think we non-Goths have quite the imagination when it comes to what we think Goths like.

We were even called Gothic Synthpop, and Darkwave at the Conference, even though we just consider ourselves Electronic Dance.

The Newest Term that I've heard Steming from the Infusion of Synthpop into Goth & Darkwave is called "Nu Goth".

I Like it, and Hope to see more of the Goth Scene branching in New Directions, because the only way a Scene can stay Alive is to Grow.

Not a bad term. Short, to the point, and accurate enough I suppose. No offense to the Goths, but I will probably end up growing in a different direction. If the dark side of synthpop is going to veer towards Goth and Darkwave, where is the lighter side headed?

**hornblas** · February 24th, 2003, 12:01 AM

I too am surprised at the positive reaction to my band in the "Goth" scene. Although I am a long time fan of most things goth, industrial and fetish. I didn't consider my new band to have the apparant appeal it does to those into Goth. Yes at times we have a dark feel to our music, we still considered it more "dance" . I am glad the genre known as "Goth" has opened up and embraced anything that is good, not just Goth. As I personally was getting bored by what has been Goth for so long. Whatever we get labelled as, isn't important to me. However people view what we do is fine by me. Labels are easy ways to point someone in the right direction when trying to describe what you do. So far we have been called Electroclash, Darkwave, Industrial and yes Nu Goth..

**IntrospecT** · February 24th, 2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by David Vesel

Not a bad term. Short, to the point, and accurate enough I suppose. No offense to the Goths, but I will probably end up growing in a different direction. If the dark side of synthpop is going to veer towards Goth and Darkwave, where is the lighter side headed?

I think, if you look at the top of this thread, I used that term. I'm really trying to make that name "nu-goth" a household name, seems I'm, at least on a small scale, semi-sucessful!

(pats himself on the back! )

lol

Sean