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    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/...cnn_topstories

    South Dakota bans most abortions

    Monday, March 6, 2006; Posted: 4:18 p.m. EST (21:18 GMT)

    (CNN) -- South Dakota Gov. Mike Rounds signed a bill Monday that bans nearly all abortions in the state, legislation in direct conflict with the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion in 1973.

    The new law defines life as originating "at the time of conception."

    "In the history of the world, the true test of a civilization is how well people treat the most vulnerable and most helpless in their society," said a statement released by Rounds, a Republican.

    "The sponsors and supporters of this bill believe that abortion is wrong because unborn children are the most vulnerable and most helpless persons in our society. I agree with them."

    Although the law -- intended as a constitutional challenge to Roe v. Wade -- is set to take effect July 1, Rounds said in the statement that he expects legal action will prevent that. He added that a settlement of the issue could take years and might ultimately be decided by the nation's highest court. (FindLaw: Text of bill)

    "The reversal of a Supreme Court opinion is possible," Rounds said, pointing to the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision that reversed the 1896 ruling that states could segregate public facilities by race if equal facilities were offered.

    The bill "will give the United States Supreme Court a similar opportunity to reconsider an earlier opinion."

    The Planned Parenthood Federation of America, as well as its chapter that covers Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota, has said it plans to fight the legislation in court.

    The national group said 10 states are considering similar bills.

    "These abortion bans, and the politicians supporting them, are far outside the mainstream of America," Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards said in a written statement.

    "Planned Parenthood will fight these attacks in court, in the state houses, and at the ballot boxes, to ensure that women, with their doctors and families, continue to be able to make personal health care decisions without government interference."

    The bill signed by Rounds allows doctors to perform abortions only to save the lives of pregnant women, but even then encourages them to exercise "reasonable medical efforts" to both save mothers and continue pregnancies.

    Anyone who performs an abortion under any other circumstance -- even in a case of rape or incest -- can be charged with a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. The mother cannot be charged.

    In his statement, however, Rounds pointed out that the bill does not prohibit doctors from prescribing contraceptive drugs before a pregnancy is determined, such as in a rape or incest case.

    State lawmakers had rejected proposed amendments that would have made exceptions for rape or incest.

    "We must help each mother to see the value of the gift that is a child, and nurture the mother for her own sake and for the sake of her child," Rounds said in the statement.

    'Completely contradictory' to Roe
    The passage of the bill comes at a time many abortion rights opponents feel is right for a direct challenge of Roe v. Wade, coming on the heels of two Bush appointees -- Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito -- to the high court. (Full story)

    "This is potentially an earthquake, because there is no doubt that this law conflicts with Roe v. Wade," CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin said earlier. "It is completely contradictory to what the current law on abortion is."

    The Supreme Court has not accepted a direct challenge to abortion since the Roe v. Wade decision.

    Most appeals the court has heard since then have dealt with more limited legal questions, such as government funding of the procedure, waiting periods, parental and spousal notification, and abortions late in pregnancy.

    In January, the justices issued a ruling on parental notification but sidestepped the sort of definitive ruling that many activists on both sides of the issue had hoped for.

    In a unanimous but narrow opinion written by now-retired Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, the high court concluded that a federal appeals panel went too far by blocking enforcement of a New Hampshire law requiring minors to notify their parents before receiving an abortion.

    The case was thrown back for reconsideration, essentially delaying a final word on the matter.

    The ruling from the high court thus bypassed the larger question of whether such laws are an unconstitutional "burden" on a woman's access to the procedure.

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    Is this religiously driven? I'd wager it is. Frankly a disgusting breech of human rights made all the more repugnant by the non-inclosure of a rape clause.
    If this is religiously based if just confirms my view that the American evangelical or fundamental Christianity is every bit as insidious, evil and just as worthy of fear as militant Islam.
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    Sad. Really sad. Why do the right to lifers call it "pro-abortion" if you don't share their opinion? It's not "pro-abortion" just because you think it is a very personal decision that varies with each person. As for when you can define a "person", that all depends on what your spiritual beliefs are. This kind of forcing one kind of thought on the rest of us is frightening... BTW I found it pretty interesting that the governor used as a precedent the reversal of segregation law to say that the Supreme Court could change its mind on things. Apparently he doesn't see that having that law struck down made society more open-minded, while what he's trying to do is make society the other way...*sigh*
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    Red state, enough said. Thank God I live in a blue state. California may be stupid in some things, but not as stupid as South Dakota!

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    Originally posted by ElectroSwank

    Anyone who performs an abortion under any other circumstance -- even in a case of rape or incest -- can be charged with a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. The mother cannot be charged.
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    State lawmakers had rejected proposed amendments that would have made exceptions for rape or incest.

    These two chunks struck me the most.. Why would they in their right minds not allow an abortion in the case of rape or incest? Are those not religiously immoral either? Oh wait, i forgot the bible is full of incest and rape.

    I looked into this, and their reasoning behind is it that the "rapist has as much right to the child as the mother".. GAH That alone just infuriates me to no extent.. That has to be repealed in one form or another. Not only is it downright screwed up, but it impedes on the constitutional right of all women. It's no surprise that more often than not, it is men who want abortions banned in the first place.

    Soon we'll have to start changing our slogan from "American, Land of the free" to "American, Land of the Christians"

    ( No offense to the christians here who have some common sense in their mind, i have nothing against the religion itself, just the people who try to impede on others rights to practice their own beliefs by shoving it in their face)
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    Women should have the ultimate right not some charchter from a story board which still can not be proved if exists. Theres many RAPE cases where women have had to have Abortians. Theres enough unwanted and starving children on this planet already even in the western world like America or Britain.

    Banning Abortion will lead to back street Abortions where the embryo suffers pain and tonnes of problems occur. Its better if its done the legal way.

    I do worry about the Christian Taliban in America... They are no difffrent to Muslim Extremists both are backward as each other and should be sent back to the sixth century with their primative mindsets..
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    Originally posted by Kirlian Blue
    I do worry about the Christian Taliban in America... They are no difffrent to Muslim Extremists both are backward as each other and should be sent back to the sixth century with their primative mindsets..
    What worries me most is that, while the Islamists and Jihadies make a lot of noise in the middle east all they can really do is specific acts of terrorism. Terrible, yet isolated, incidents. The American 'Christian Taliban' (well put!) however are potentialy in control of the world's only true superpower...now that's scary!
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    -abortion is not a right, by definition.

    -it should be each state's decision by the populous.
    the feds need to stay out of this altogether...short of the fact that Medicaid covers abortion. if they want to change that fact, ive got no problem with that.

    -imo, it should be available to any female, depending on my above statement.
    that said, i dont understand the states that allow wives to abort without consent of the husband. those two people entered into a legal, binding contract.

    -if you are pro-life, are you against the death penalty? if not, your logic escapes me.
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    Originally posted by Crash


    What worries me most is that, while the Islamists and Jihadies make a lot of noise in the middle east all they can really do is specific acts of terrorism. Terrible, yet isolated, incidents. The American 'Christian Taliban' (well put!) however are potentialy in control of the world's only true superpower...now that's scary!
    Yes their main man Bush(the public face conseveritivism not the brains) is still building missiles every month.. Even though theres no Cold War... I think we won't have a midle east apart from what Countrys the American Christian Taliban feel fit to keep others they will just invade,pillage and destroy...
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    My few points on this extremely loaded subject. Please note , I am certainly excluding rape and incest even if the S. Dakotoans aren't.

    - If you are not planning on getting an abortion why should it matter to you? Also, if you are planning on using abortion as your birth control, just how stupid are you? It is more expensive financially and emotionally than the alternatives. (birth-control, adoption)

    - While the statement that people who oppose all forms of abortion are outside of mainstream America is true, the polls clearly say over and over again that the majority of people want abortion laws to be more strict.
    http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

    What I find ironic is that everyone seems so passionate about protecting someone else's rights. The polls clearly show that most people are morally against abortion but yet they favor abortion. Since when did we become so compassionate?

    Before you go ripping my head off, please know that while I don't agree in the slightest that it is ok to kill your children, I do believe in democracy. If the majority of people want to keep the current law, then I can live with it. That's what being an American is all about.
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    I agree on the fact that using abortion as a means of birth control is an utter waste of money, not to mention unwise due to the chemical inbalances that it will cause.

    I also agree on the fact that if you do not plan on getting an abortion (Men, and Women who are morally opposed to it), then it is not in your right to impede others right to do so.

    As for polls, polls are almost never accurate, due to the fact that the pollers sometimes create an unfair polling enviroment due to how they question and the group of people in which they have selected to poll. For instance, they can sellect from a primarily white, convservative neighborhood in Georgia, and ask "Are you in favor of saving lives?". If the person says yes (which is likely no matter where they ask), then they will mark the person as being in favor of a ban on abortion.

    South Dakota has their right to do what they wish, and it is for that reason i've chosen to live in California (Moving from an uber conservative southern baptist town in Georgia). But they should at least consider those who have been raped
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    What bothers me about this is that the people who are making these decisions aren't anywhere near close who'd actually be having an abortion.

    What if you are a woman in your early 20s in school and embarking on a carreer path struggling to make ends meet, can't afford to have a baby or don't want your famiy to know? A woman is entitled to have that right to keep things like that quiet.

    Grown men have no idea what its like to be in a scared young womans shoes. With no legal options whats she to do? I wish they'd stop making a woman's right to choose such a shameful dirty four letter word.

    Not to mention; anyone see this article? - http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/200602...illionsaturday

    A population milestone is about to be set on this jam-packed planet.

    On Saturday, Feb. 25, at 7:16 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, the population here on this good Earth is projected to hit 6.5 billion people.

    Along with this forecast, an analysis by the International Programs Center at the U.S. Census Bureau points to another factoid, Robert Bernstein of the Bureau's Public Information Center advised LiveScience. Mark this on your calendar: Some six years from now, on Oct. 18, 2012 at 4:36 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, the Earth will be home to 7 billion folks.

    These are estimates, of course, but clear trends emerge from the data behind them.

    Population profile
    A report issued by the Bureau in March 2004 noted that world population hit the 6-billion mark in June 1999. "This figure is over 3.5 times the size of the Earth's population at the beginning of the 20th century and roughly double its size in 1960," the study explained.

    Even more striking is that the time required for the global population to grow from 5 billion to 6 billionójust a dozen yearsówas shorter than the interval between any of the previous billions.
    I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I'm gonna go for it... I'm sorry but honestly, we have way too many people in this world. We are depleting our natural resources at a frighteningly high pace. I've already decided not to have children for my own personal reasons that may get me flamed or banned from a place like this if i even mention why.

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    Originally posted by ElectroSwank
    Grown men have no idea what its like to be in a scared young womans shoes. With no legal options whats she to do? I wish they'd stop making a woman's right to choose such a shameful dirty four letter word.
    ... I'm sorry but honestly, we have way too many people in this world. We are depleting our natural resources at a frighteningly high pace. I've already decided not to have children for my own personal reasons that may get me flamed or banned from a place like this if i even mention why.[/b]
    agreed on the population...and that first and foremost is my reason for not wanting to have kids...EVER...as well. there are also other reasons i have, but i digress...
    that said, abortion is a band-aid on the problem of over-population. to put it bluntly, people need more masturbation or oral favours, not intercourse...

    as for you comments on entitlement, young woman in her 20s, etc...next on my reading list:
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    Good book!

    Fen, I agree with you - It shouldn't be a band-aid for over population... nor used as contriceptive as people have mentioned on this thread. That's just being stupidly lazy. Plain and simple. I don't think the majority of people who have a lot of hetro-sex think before the act. The problem is the ones who really do get stuck in the moral delemma are the ones who'll suffer.

    Honestly, what year is it? With all our technology can't we find a more humane way to appease the Christians? I'm sure everyone will be so glad when their daughters and sisters die from dirty back alley abortions. Everyone makes it so taboo and thier personal business for a woman to want to choose whiether she wants to have a baby. *rolls eyes*

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    To briefly touch on the Death Penalty comment, I think anyone in their right mind is against the death penalty. How many people have been murdered by over zelous correctional systems? Justice isn't infallable, mistakes are made. And an 'eye for an eye' is never productive.
    Back on topic...I don't know about the US but in the UK the amount of unwanted children is large, not to mention the children born into families with unfit parents (drunks, addicts or just fucktards or abusers) or families in poverty who just can't afford to provide a child with what it deserves...why whould anyone want to make that situation worse.
    And men, just imagine if someone commanded the you have somthing you don't want (or probably, in the case of a rape, disgusts you) actually inside you for nine months! It's pretty barbaric.
    Ahh...it's all a bit John Hurt really!
    Originally posted by ElectroSwank
    I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I'm gonna go for it...
    .. I've already decided not to have children for my own personal reasons that may get me flamed or banned from a place like this if i even mention why.
    Swank, you saying this concerns me a bit, I don't want to be any part of a messege board where people can't speak their mind!
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    Anna, you should NOT be afraid to speak up about your decisions. Not everyone SHOULD be a parent. I think it takes guts to NOT be a parent, especially in this day and age. I live with 20 kids a day and I tell you, I won't be having one in my off time.

    I find it very hypocritical that health insurance companies pay for men's Viagra, but won't pay for birth control pills. Yes, I know it's not on topic. It just annoys me to bits.

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    I think a better alternative to the basic Death Penalty is to have a system in which the person recieves in punishment the crime they committed.. For instance, a rapist being raped and so on... Buut that probably won't happen..
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    Originally posted by CaffeineQueen
    I think a better alternative to the basic Death Penalty is to have a system in which the person recieves in punishment the crime they committed.. For instance, a rapist being raped and so on... Buut that probably won't happen..
    In a perfect world that would be a fantastic idea, but we don't live in a perfect world. Justice is often wrong. Judges are lazy and corrupt, Cops even more so. False accusations are commonplace. Would you risk it? Risk a rape or death punishment on someone who might just be innocent?
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    Originally posted by CaffeineQueen
    I think a better alternative to the basic Death Penalty is to have a system in which the person recieves in punishment the crime they committed..
    I dunno...how is that different than the death penalty then, since the death penalty is saved for murder one cases? Seems more barbaric to off someone the same way they offed someone else than by giving them a shot of drugs or whatever. Just pondering.

    Originally posted by ElectroSwank
    I know this isn't a very popular opinion here, but I'm gonna go for it... I'm sorry but honestly, we have way too many people in this world. We are depleting our natural resources at a frighteningly high pace. I've already decided not to have children for my own personal reasons that may get me flamed or banned from a place like this if i even mention why.
    Anna, I'm with you. I've got my own reasons for not wanting to be a parent either. If it makes you feel less alone for thinking so, it seems to me that more people are choosing not to have children these days. Although there's still a lot of societal pressure for everyone to reproduce, there are quite a few people out there that I've come across in the past few years who are passing on parenthood. And no, it's not "anti-family". The way I see it is, if some of us pass on having children we are also helping those who want to have many children ease the overall burden on the world's resources. Plus, I'm not afraid to admit that I don't think I would make a great parent so...those who ARE great parents to their children are likely doing it better than I would and making this world a little bit better of a place.
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    I guess I should weigh in on the abortion thing.

    I don't like abortion. I think it's sad that women feel that it's their only option when there are lots of couples out there who cannot have children, who would be willing to adopt unwanted children.

    Having said that, I am opposed to criminalizing abortion. I'm pragmatic enough to realize that banning abortion is not going to make it go away, it will only drive it underground and make it unsafe for all.

    I think the best way to reduce the number of abortions in our country is to better educate our teenagers on safe sex, including abstinence of course, but also the various means of contraception. I know some Christians may find the notion of contraception offensive, but teaching our young people about it will help reduce the need for abortions.

    At the moment the South Dakota law is meaningless anyway. There is only one clinic in the entire state, and most people have to cross state lines to get one anyway. This is really intended to get before the Supreme Court.

    So what happens to the woman who wants the procedure but it's illegal in her state? It's either try to save up money to fly to another state to have the procedure done, or risk a back-alley procedure.

    I am especially disturbed by the refusal to allow for women who are raped. This to me is a basic degradement of human rights. A woman who becomes pregnant against her will should not be forced to carry to term, she is TWICE violated by the rapist.

    Every child, a wanted child. That's how it should be.

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