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**pop** · February 17th, 2006, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by fritter242
Nobody does it to rock bands?

The day you find me liking the Black Crowes, the Travelling Willburrys (sp?), Kid Rock, the Georgia Satellites or ANY of that sort of thing is the day Hell freezes over. I DESPISED the whole 70s come-back movement, and am glad it\\\'s mostly over (I say mostly only because I rarely listen to anything mainstream, so am not sure that it doesn\\\'t still exist).
So there is at least one person on this planet (two, if you count my husband) who think the same thing about rock bands.

There are too many Electronica bands who don\'t understand basic music theories. I wish they just go away. It makes me ill that somone can claim to be a musician, because they know how to use a sequencer that someone can pickup in one day. I hate the typical Fruity Loops kids.

You will be suprised, how many people will say something similar to EBM. EBM will never come back, because it never went away. It just slowly dies for the past 20 years. One of the biggest reason you see less people in the Goth clubs in the East Coast is people are tired of hearing Nitzer Ebb and other similar sounding bands for the past 20 years, but it is preference. Goth clubs that draw 700 people are now about 400 in the past few years. I talked to few promoters. Goth kids are getting older, and they are tired of depressing themselves. You will be suprised lots of young Goths don\'t even listen to EBM/Futurepop now. Be honest with you, everything in music is slowing down with new trends. I haven\'t bought anything from EBM scenes in the past 7 years and I don\'t miss it all. There are many people like me. I know tons of older Ex Goths moved away from the EBM. Who wants to be dark and angry at age 30? That is why I focus on Proggressive stuff.

added: i would like to add, that\'s why i always enjoyed OLDER electronica acts who constantly modernize their sounds as the time changes. few examples are pet shop boys, new order, and depeche mode. they all started off without having a sequencer, so they started off being musicians, not some kids with sequencers.

**dxtc** · February 20th, 2006, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by diffusion
[b]BT rubbish? the production on "emotional technology" is ASTOUNDING. when you have a team of interns quantizing your raindrops, that's when you have a bad-ass sounding disc. the songwriting unfortunately is what's lacking on that record...

Finally, someone who echoes my sentiments on that release. That little Kyma effect in the interlude for "The Great Escape" is, indeed, sick-ass as BT mentions in the liner notes.

His IMA album is still the classic of all ages, though. That one set a standard that so many trance/progressive artists still strive to attain.

**Electroswank** · February 21st, 2006, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by diffusion

but, i'm sorry, "dated" usually equates to "bad-sounding". it's very hard to conjure a nostalgic/classic vibe, it's a very fine line. most people who try this end up sounding very amateur, as if?

I think that all these indie rock / alterna-electro bands like Bravery, Interpol, Radio 4, Franz Ferdinand, Strokes, The Sounds, Dogs Die in Hot Cars, Hot Hot Heat, etc.. ALL sound dated. Sorry. They're just making the same noise bands like Gang of Four, XTC, Joy Division, Duran duran and Blondie have done in the 80s.

There's no way to be in that genre and not sound dated. Look at electroclash, when that fad came barrelling thru it was like a contest to see who could sound more old school then the next guy....

It's just the way music is. Theres always gonna be somthign that sounds dated cos pretty much everythings' been done.

My 2 cents.

**pop** · February 21st, 2006, 04:48 PM

Things don\'t sound outdated if the new kids or talented people are doing it. Why Franz sounds good? It isn\'t straight up New Wave. It is combined with the current disfunctional wave of Indie Rock/EMO that was falling apart. When an artist who is talented does something he/she supposed not write, I find it so freaking refreshing, but it only works for someone who is talented. I heard some fake Trance with Synthpop, those tracks usually last 3 seconds before I have to fast forward, but I also heard Blank and Jones tracks with Robert Smith, it is just done so right and it is a refreshing retro. Also, it doesn\'t sound sissy. Some artists are just damn good whatever they apply. They just have a good taste that can be applied to their music. Artists who are in depth with the music understanding will mix it up and do it well. Some people will come off as a poser.

I guess what it comes down is not the sounds, but

1) talent
2) uniqueness (because if you clone, you will be compare to, so do it right).
3) personality that comes off to the music
4) taste that able to pick the best (sounds, production, writing, shaping) of each genera and apply to their sound.

**Crash** · February 21st, 2006, 08:22 PM

Franz Ferdinand sound incredibly dated! I think thats half the key to their success...retro cool. ('Cos it sure can't be songwriting!)

**Electroswank** · February 21st, 2006, 08:44 PM

I agree, sorry, I just can't get into these "retro" acts. I don't care if they're so new and cutting edge, it all sounds the same to me and I can't keep up with all of them sprouting up every other week. I'd rather just listen to the original bands if i'm feeling that nostalgic.
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**pop** · February 21st, 2006, 09:45 PM

I find the whole RetroWave more refreshing than still listening to the 80s or Indie/EMO shit. I hate EMO. EMO kids are fucked up in the head. They are bunch of uncontrollable hormone bursting asses who cry one minute and shout in the next 30 seconds. They are bunch of schizophrenics. When it comes to POP music, it is impossible to take it any further. Only thing left is mixing generas.

**gordonctrl** · February 21st, 2006, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by ElectroSwank
I agree, sorry, I just can't get into these "retro" acts. I don't care if they're so new and cutting edge, it all sounds the same to me and I can't keep up with all of them sprouting up every other week. I'd rather just listen to the original bands if i'm feeling that nostalgic.
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I am so tired of the indie rock romulan hair cuts............

I miss when mods listened to the JAM not Fischer Spooner......

blah!

Originally posted by pop
I find the whole RetroWave more refreshing than still listening to the 80s or Indie/EMO shit. I hate EMO. EMO kids are fucked up in the head. They are bunch of uncontrollable hormone bursting asses who cry one minute and shout in the next 30 seconds. They are bunch of schizophrenics. When it comes to POP music, it is impossible to take it any further. Only thing left is mixing generas.

is it genre? or genera?

now you have me doubting my language skills

**fritter242** · February 21st, 2006, 10:36 PM

"Oh! You guys did it?! "

Erik, there are so many different ways to answer that question, I can't even begin to think of a single one I should start with...

Pop: yep. Agreed.

**NoirTech** · February 21st, 2006, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by fritter242
"Oh! You guys did it?! "

Erik, there are so many different ways to answer that question, I can't even begin to think of a single one I should start with...

LOL
Crying over here!
Didn't even realize that it could have been interpreted various ways.
LMAO

**fritter242** · February 22nd, 2006, 06:14 AM

Don't MAKE me come down there and take away your pony!

**Breye 7x** · March 2nd, 2006, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by techpo12
Why then is it if someone makes a song that sounds like classic Camouflage or Erasure they suck and need to sound more modern and use more modern sounds?

The whole statement of anything being Dated is a joke. Just like something being called Modern.

WTF is a Modern Sound anyhow? Does that mean I need to run right out and buy the newest Roland Phantom workstation or Korg Triton whatever the fuck they're making now.

Screw that. The music Jen and I create for Provision is Provision. You either like it or don't. Who cares if it sounds Dated or Modern.
We spend plenty of time in our sound design and sampling and that's what makes us what we are.

I choose not to use factory sounds, but I don't dis on those who do. It's all in your methodology, and how much work you really want to put into your sound.

I think the real answer to your question is "Who gives a Shit?". I know I don't.

Breye 7x

Originally posted by fritter242
Nobody does it to rock bands?

The day you find me liking the Black Crowes, the Travelling Willburrys (sp?), Kid Rock, the Georgia Satellites or ANY of that sort of thing is the day Hell freezes over. I DESPISED the whole 70s come-back movement, and am glad it's mostly over (I say mostly only because I rarely listen to anything mainstream, so am not sure that it doesn't still exist).
So there is at least one person on this planet (two, if you count my husband) who think the same thing about rock bands.

I think Rock music sucks. Period. And I honestly can't stand any Rock Music at all. I like some 80's stuff with synthesizers where you have sequencers really running the music like Duran Duran and Gary Numan. But the rest is just crap IMO. Fuck Rock Music.

I like electronic music, and I really don't care what anyone thinks about what I like or don't like. To each his own.

Breye 7x

**fen** · March 2nd, 2006, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Breye 7x
...I think Rock music sucks...
Breye 7x

i saw you noddin your head to some Ratt.

**Breye 7x** · March 2nd, 2006, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by fen

i saw you noddin your head to some Ratt.

Noddin? Shoooooooot. We covered "Lay It Down", and I wanted to prove that it's a great song, it just needed to be an "Electronic Song"! HAHAHAHAH. ROFLMAO.....

Breye 7x

**Dan1boy** · March 2nd, 2006, 09:10 PM

hey, Breye, why don't you tell us how you REEEEALLY feel about rock music? Just cut loose bro, don't hold back big guy....

heh

**Breye 7x** · March 2nd, 2006, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Dan1boy
hey, Breye, why don't you tell us how you REEEEALLY feel about rock music? Just cut loose bro, don't hold back big guy....

heh

I can't really think of anything I can add except...well...It should all just die. Yep, that's about it. HAHA.

Breye 7x

**Bornslippy** · March 2nd, 2006, 10:36 PM

another thing that I read from an interview from Paul RObb(INFO SOC) is, it's ok to use "PRESETS." Let me repeat, it's ok to use "PRESETS" if you like them or if it fits in your beat.. Of course that's his take but I'm cool with that..

**pop** · March 3rd, 2006, 03:35 AM

Why some people don't get it? I guess it is in their genes. After all these years.... Some of your idols don't even listen to Synthpop. Yes, it is true. Maybe, that's why they sound so good and others sound just like real bad replicas. Why sounds can make a difference, because some bands sing and sound the same no matter what happens. CDs after Cds, they haven't changed, because they are so stubborn without any real skills to begin with. Is it so bad to rely on the technology to change? Is it really bad for bands who use technology to change their sounds with the new technology? OH, IT CAN'T BE....

**coppertop** · March 3rd, 2006, 12:50 PM

personally I couldn't care less whether a sound is "dated", or a hybrid of different sounds, or something never produced before..

what annoys me is that somehow in the technology of recent years the art of real "song writing" is somehow lost.

I get increasingly dissapointed at the lack of real skill and musicianship in modern musical composition..

and don't even get me started about how about 90% of current bands shouldn't sing their own songs.. or perform them.

When I go to a show I want to see a SHOW and a singer in key who never cracks!

I don't think people mind a "dated" sound if it has a fresh twist and is very well produced.. I agree with Pop that And One is a great example of that (and HOT live too) and there are alot of other synthpop producers that are also "dated" sounding but are so well done, and somehow still unique, that in the end it's all about superb song writing and top notch production. IMO

**Electroswank** · March 3rd, 2006, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by coppertop
what annoys me is that somehow in the technology of recent years the art of real "song writing" is somehow lost.

I get increasingly dissapointed at the lack of real skill and musicianship in modern musical composition..

and don't even get me started about how about 90% of current bands shouldn't sing their own songs.. or perform them.

When I go to a show I want to see a SHOW and a singer in key who never cracks!

OMG that's it - I can't tell you enough how much I agree with you. As a long time fan of many styles of music, I'm afraid this phenomenon is happening not just in electronic music. I really miss the thought and care that goes in to music. I think its tied into the other conversation here; how easy and simple it is for just anyone to record music at home or on a computer.

You are either in a band or know someone who is in a band. Theres probably more band members out there then just regular music fans. Quality just takes a back seat to quantity... Then the bands who do take thier time get the pressure of "whats taking so long to release another ablum, that last one was great!" ...

Everyone expects things, bigger, faster, better, stronger... but don't wanna wait

*shrug*
Maybe I should change my post; maybe its not that i think these bands all sound dated, but they are just lacking a quality I am looking for, therefore making them sound inferior to their obvious influences?

I dunno....

I like ponies, and unicorns.
music is good .... LMAO