interesting news about EGN..... just found out!!!!!!

[~delobbo]

did you know EGN was founded by Midihead back in '99? I had no idea!!! I just found out!!!!! Honestly I am surprised that you don't see/hear more about that here. I've been here for 3 years or so and only found out about it today... Not like his name should be up in flashing lights at the top of every page or something (lol), but I just think its something that should be in a "History of EGN" section or something...... that should appear under "OUR MISSION" under Electrogarden > Profile section, and give a little background on well, the history of EGN, maybe include a screenshot of the original site, things like that. I just think it's very important to recognize your roots!!!!!! Remember, "those who fail to study history............ "

ok, thanks.

[~skylla]

huh?... i thought it was the guys from gebrauche who started this site...

[~Efreak]

Really? I posted in Midihead's forum some time ago, (think it's gone now) that I liked his site and thought it looked similar to that of EGN. *knocks self on head*
Jamie

[NoirTech]

Yeah. Where were you guys back then? :-)
It really hasn't been that long that people have forgotten all the good times we had here while Mike was in charge...has it?
Am I getting THAT old THAT fast?
::walk into the light::

[~cliffwalk]

hehehe... it was Mike that directed me to this site and mentioned in passing that it was his until he sold it to "Disband at Dawn" like sometime back in 2001ish?

dave

[~jetjaguar15]

Yeah.. but I was never really all that attentive of EGN's forums until Todd of ADD moved the 'official ADD Synthpop forum' from the delphi servers over to be hosted here.. that's when things got really fun here...

[~Efreak]

Originally posted by NoirTech
Yeah. Where were you guys back then? :-)
It really hasn't been that long that people have forgotten all the good times we had here while Mike was in charge...has it?
Am I getting THAT old THAT fast?
::walk into the light::


Where was I? On WebTV, sadly....
But LoOkAtMeNoWwWwWwWwWwWwWw! RoadRunner, baby! Meep Meep Zip Tang!!!!!!! :laugh:
Jamie

[7red7]

Originally posted by Efreak



Where was I? On WebTV, sadly....
But LoOkAtMeNoWwWwWwWwWwWwWw! RoadRunner, baby! Meep Meep Zip Tang!!!!!!! :laugh:
Jamie

*LMAO* That was me too back in 99' OMG I had a web tv!!! Dman that thing was slow as all hell!!! Ah and I too have come to know the ways of broadband :D

I remember stumbling into the EGN way back then, although I think it was Midihead's site at the time, not officially this one...I found it through an old Jason Baker synth site link...Isn't Jason Baker involved in Synthpop.net now??? I apologize if my facts aren't correct, I'm not really in the know with who runs what :)

But hey it is a cool fact to know that Midihead started it all...Thats some dedication :)

DAN

[~jetjaguar15]

Yes, I am, as a matter of fact... ;-)


Jason Baker

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by jetjaguar15
Yes, I am, as a matter of fact... ;-)


Jason Baker

wha wha what!??!!? You, Jetjaguar15, are Jason Baker? what is this, the "untold mysteries of EGN" thread??!?!?! nice. :D :D

-d

[~jetjaguar15]

Yep.. I'm a little surprised you haven't noticed.. it's in my sig...


Though I've just blown my cover...D'oh! :D

[~delobbo]

yes this is true. anyone else have any mysteries to reveal, this is where to do it! go ahead. we're on a roll.

-d

Dark Helmet: Not so fast Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: Helmet. So at last we meet for the first time for the last time.{thinks about it} Yeah.
Dark Helmet: Before you die there is something you must know about us, Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: What?
Dark Helmet: I am your father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's former roommate.
Lone Starr: What does that make us?
Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing. Which is what you're about to become. Prepare to die.

-space balls

101 views!!! amazing.

[~DekaDude]

Hey, I'm only a rated a "novice", and even I knew that Mike from Monolithic started this site, and then sold it to somebody

[~intro]

Anyone remember when the site was completely done in Flash? The whole thing was animated, and it played this little intro when you went to the site. It was pretty damn cool.

-Mark
www.djintrovert.com

[NoirTech]

I remember WAY back in '98 or '99....I used to come to electrogarden.com to make sure the software client I was working on could handle the flash intro Mike had on this website. That intro was always awesome. Man...that seems like ages ago.

Originally posted by intro
Anyone remember when the site was completely done in Flash? The whole thing was animated, and it played this little intro when you went to the site. It was pretty damn cool.

-Mark
www.djintrovert.com

HAHAHAHAHAH. We posted about the intro at the same time. Freaky. hehehe
Oh I remember those days of coming here to the flash site, and listening to Mark Styker's synthpop radio online. Those were the days.

[~synth19]

LOL- I think how I heard about EGN was through ADD......they had a link to the site........I remember when Mike put up the "for sale" post about the site......... it was somewhat secretive as to who the new owners were back then...

[~Efreak]

Originally posted by delobbo
yes this is true. anyone else have any mysteries to reveal, this is where to do it! go ahead. we're on a roll.



For the love of ALL THINGS GOOD IN THIS WORLD!!! Wasn't my WebTV admission enough?!?!?
*goes fetal, sucks thumb*
Jamie :laugh:

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by Efreak


For the love of ALL THINGS GOOD IN THIS WORLD!!! Wasn't my WebTV admission enough?!?!?
*goes fetal, sucks thumb*
Jamie :laugh:

Yes yes, in fact it was the catalyst that turned the thread into the official "mysteries of EGN revealed" thread. We just need to hear more now.

-d

[~Kirlian Blue]

I missed the flash intro I specialise in that damm stuff Midihead riocks lulling us to sleep softly ...I knew it was bought but never thought it was Midihead that guy is a top man!

[~Midihead]

I was the keyboard player for Quiet Riot before I became Midihead. When glam metal died, I had to do something! Ssshh, don't tell anyone. I was told about this thread by Noirtech who happens to be ERIC! Oh, there's another secret out of the bag....I'm cracking up, and blushing at the same time. You guys remember the genesis of this baby, eh? Electrogarden was Flash before the Flash craze really hit. But what I didn't know is that by industry standards, it was poorly designed. Of course, this information came later as "the industry" wrote many complaints about Flash-based sites. The Flash WAS over the top, and the intro was cool for the first view...but there should have been a "skip" button. The artist section was starting to really take off. We had quite a few artists, with a rating system and everything. Ahh the learning experience of it all. It was a lot of fun, then one day when my brothers who were also my partners (never go into business with family) forgot to back up the server....it crashed hard and we lost everything. EVERYTHING! That's when my brothers and I parted ways and I tried to reconstruct the site...on my own. I'm no back end wiz, so when the forums started to grow, and Todd switch this to his official forum...I began to get overwhelmed. Since I had a day job, running Electrogarden became quite the impossible task. I knew that I had to either hire some developers, or put it up for sale. Since I had no money, I put it up for sale.

Things were cool...then the colors started changing from the original silver to...uh...green? WTF? And the menu bar that had cool, matching buttons went to this funky....wood color? OK, so the new owners aren't designers...but sheesh. Oh well, it ain't mine any more...so I'll zip it. They certainly did take it to a higher mountain than I would have been able to on my own...that's for sure. I'll give 'em that.

Thanks for the props guys, it means a lot!

Cheerz,

-Midihead

[~Dan1boy]

Originally posted by NoirTech
Oh I remember those days of coming here to the flash site, and listening to Mark Styker's synthpop radio online. Those were the days.


LOL, Mark's infamous "whenver I get around to it" radio show....those were indeed the days, bro. Also, do you remember the heated chats late into the weekday night on Synthpop.net (the old version owned by Brandon)?

Those days are sadly gone.

[~Efreak]

Well, if it weren't for you founding EGN, I may have never heard of Monolithic. And you wouldn't have become a household favorite... Me thinks you knew what you were doing. ;)
Jamie

[~Midihead]

Thanks Jamie! I know that I do have this site to thank for a lot of my friends and fans. I met most ALL of the people I know in the "scene" here on this site, way back when it began...and now. Kudos to the "new guys" for keeping it going and having the patience it takes to run it. Believe me folks, it's madness.

I didn't know that my founding the site was THAT secret, but I guess there are few who knew. These are the props of selling your website. Another example is Synthpop.net doing a newsflash about one of my songs being used in a Matrix Reloaded trailer. These guys wouldn't give the story the time of day...guess I'm just not BIG enough. ;) If anyone cares to know more go here: www.synthpop.net

Click on the "read more" link and you can link to the video streams of the trailer. Also, you can download "Speed Demon" right NOW (the track that was used in the trailer): www.midihead.com/downloads/speed_demon.mp3

Enjoy!

Cheerz,

-Midihead

[NoirTech]

Originally posted by Dan1boy



LOL, Mark's infamous "whenver I get around to it" radio show....those were indeed the days, bro. Also, do you remember the heated chats late into the weekday night on Synthpop.net (the old version owned by Brandon)?

Those days are sadly gone.


Oh man...do I ever. That chat room got a lot of us in trouble. hahahaha. That was awesome though.

As for Mark's ISPR show,....whenever it was on...it rocked!

...and Mike...thanks for giving away my alter ego (Erick). :-)
Hahahaha.

You know,...for it not being a long time ago...it sure feels that way.

[~IntrospecT]

Originally posted by Midihead
I was the keyboard player for Quiet Riot before I became Midihead..... -Midihead

Is this the truth, Or are you being sarcastic? I'm going to embarrass myself here, but I was the biggest QR fan back in the day. One of the songs I adored was "Winners Take All", and if I remember the song correctly, there was one hell of a piano / synth part in that song. Hell, I was a QR fan even when they weren't "kewl" anymore, my favorite album was Condition Critical...anyone ever hear that one?

Ok, I'm taking off the bandana's, putting the parachute pants back in the box, removing the Quiet Riot Button Pins (remember those?) and getting this thread back on topic.

It's to my understanding the current owner(s) of EGN prefer to remain anonymous......the only thing I do know is that the #2 guy is one hell of a great dude! (sorry #1 guy, but I don't know who you are, so I can't give props!) Perhaps we should honor this condition of anonyminity

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by IntrospecT
It's to my understanding the current owner(s) of EGN prefer to remain anonymous......the only thing I do know is that the #2 guy is one hell of a great dude! (sorry #1 guy, but I don't know who you are, so I can't give props!) Perhaps we should honor this condition of anonyminity

But WHO DOES NUMBER TWO WORK FOR? (trying to sound constipated)

As for the Midihead/Quiet Riot connection. You didn't know that? That's Mike! He's probably the closest thing to a celebrity we have on here next to .. well, ME!

Dave

[~Efreak]

Huh? What???
Jamie

[~IntrospecT]

well, beat me slap me call me shirley! I didn't know that we had a celeb amongst our ranks

I'm going to play my QR LP's all night long!

oh, and Jamie, you took the words right out of my mouth! :P

[~delobbo]

yes it surprised me myself, being an avid fan of "cum on feel the noiz" back in the day. I inquired with Midihead about it, and he said that no, he is not being sarcastic, he indeed used to play keyboards for QR....... shocking....... :D :D kinda funny too.

-d

[~Efreak]

But he's 32... So am I. I was like 13 or 14 when that song was out... Throw me a clue... Someone...
Jamie

[~IntrospecT]

hmmm......maybe he was with QR in their latent stages, hell, maybe he wrote that piano / synth part in "Winners Take All" that I'm so fond of!

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by Efreak
But he's 32... So am I. I was like 13 or 14 when that song was out... Throw me a clue... Someone...
Jamie

mikes not always very honest about his age, I'm afraid...

32 isn't EXACTLY accurate, although he was young in his QR days...

didn't you see their Behind the Music?

it was only a quick interview (he was only with them briefly), but he was VERY young... like 17/18ish...

dave

[~ilvisintetic]

See how was electrogarden at the wayback machine web.archive.org/web/20030703025542/*/

[~Midihead]

Hahaha, there's a lot of leg pulling going on around here! I saw this post get out of control and started to cry, I was laughing so hard...nice one Dave and Rubin! NO, I never had anything to do with Quiet Riot...for the record...it was a JOKE! I'm reaching for the tissue.

Janalu....cool site you found there. I never knew you could look up old archived sites. The only problem is when I click on your link, nothing is found. I did do a search for electrogarden.com and DID find an archive from May of 2000. It brought back so many memories. Do a search at http://web.archive.org/web/ for "all" and it will pull them all up (nothing from 99...but that's ok). There are no images though...guess they only archived the text. Wow...this is really something.

Cheerz,

-Midihead

[~DekaDude]

Wow, you played with Quiet Riot? That I did not know. So how come you ain't on all those "Behind The Music" interviews I see with those guys on VH1 and stuff? Was that lead singer really as big an A-hole as they say?

Quiet Riot was a joke-very funny Mr. M Head-had me on that one

[~delobbo]

hey Midihead...... you suck!!!!!!!!

:D :D

......too gullible for my own good...

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by delobbo
hey Midihead...... you suck!!!!!!!!

:D :D

......too gullible for my own good...

Yeah... so back to square one... HEY! there's always Pete Byrne (signed to ADD)! Now he actually was famous. He was 1/2 of Naked Eyes, they had two more top 10 hits than anyone else on here.

But I haven't seen him post on anything since the.. well the ONE post I saw him make like 2 years ago.

Dave

[~delobbo]

Quiet Riot..... I can't believe I fell for that..... hey anything's possible these days........ right. :)

Midihead you do realize I am going to get you back........... it will not be pretty... <evil grin> :D

-delobbo

[7red7]

Originally posted by jetjaguar15
Yes, I am, as a matter of fact... ;-)


Jason Baker

Damn and we've conversed in threads now for about two years!!! And I never knew!!! *LMAO* I feel like such an a**...Sorry Jason...Love synthpop.net, love what you do for the music, always have :)

DAN

[~Efreak]

Sheesh. I was Googling old pictures of QR, and I said to myslef "that guy *could* be Mike", then I thought, "Well, jeez. He must've laid off the drugs or something, 'cause he looks younger."

Mike -- I believe you owe me a CD. Your next album. Free. :D

Jamie

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by Efreak
Sheesh. I was Googling old pictures of QR, and I said to myslef "that guy *could* be Mike", then I thought, "Well, jeez. He must've laid off the drugs or something, 'cause he looks younger."

Mike -- I believe you owe me a CD. Your next album. Free. :D

Jamie

YES JAMIE I AGREE, together we shall conquer this trickery. Midihead, you shall pay!!!!!! :D :D

-d

Originally posted by 7red7


Damn and we've conversed in threads now for about two years!!! And I never knew!!! *LMAO* I feel like such an a**...Sorry Jason...Love synthpop.net, love what you do for the music, always have :)

DAN

Let me let you in on a little secret. Do you know what. Remember on the first page when I asked about jetjaguar, whether he was actually Jason Baker. It was actually in reference to 7red7's post, that was speaking of Jason Baker in an "outsider" sense, i.e. someone who is not on this board:

Originally posted by 7red7


I remember stumbling into the EGN way back then, although I think it was Midihead's site at the time, not officially this one...I found it through an old Jason Baker synth site link...Isn't Jason Baker involved in Synthpop.net now??? I apologize if my facts aren't correct, I'm not really in the know with who runs what

DAN

And then Jason responded, that yes *HE* was, involved with synthpop.net - I just found the whole situation kind of odd and amusing and then that is when I decided to thusly counter with my reply that inquired about the identity of Jetjaguar15, because I DID see in his sigfile from earlier in that same thread (indeed just a couple of posts above) - that he was indeed the elusive Jason Baker. Thus, using my keen sense of Spider-man type logic, I was able to piece together the intricate web that was the very existence of this Jason Baker. But, I had already done this, i.e. before Dan made his post, I had already deduced that jetjaguar15 was indeed Jason Baker - and found it odd that in one of the next posts, he was being spoken of in an "outsider" type of sense. So, there you have it. The mystery is revealed, it is Jason Baker! :D

-delobbo

[~Efreak]

Mike.... You have some 'splaining to doooo. ;)
Jamie (j/k) My 500th post needs moe kick. Oh well. ;)
ONWARD!!!!!

[7red7]

Originally posted by delobbo
Let me let you in on a little secret. Do you know what. Remember on the first page when I asked about jetjaguar, whether he was actually Jason Baker. It was actually in reference to 7red7's post, that was speaking of Jason Baker in an "outsider" sense, i.e. someone who is not on this board:

And then Jason responded, that yes *HE* was, involved with synthpop.net - I just found the whole situation kind of odd and amusing and then that is when I decided to thusly counter with my reply that inquired about the identity of Jetjaguar15, because I DID see in his sigfile from earlier in that same thread (indeed just a couple of posts above) - that he was indeed the elusive Jason Baker. Thus, using my keen sense of Spider-man type logic, I was able to piece together the intricate web that was the very existence of this Jason Baker. But, I had already done this, i.e. before Dan made his post, I had already deduced that jetjaguar15 was indeed Jason Baker - and found it odd that in one of the next posts, he was being spoken of in an "outsider" type of sense. So, there you have it. The mystery is revealed, it is Jason Baker! :D

-delobbo

OMG man you are insane!!! *LMAO* Thats one hell of a job inspector Delobbo :laugh:

DAN

[~IntrospecT]

"Spider man, spider man, friendly neighborhood spider man........."

Delobbo, you need to hire yourself out! My cat has been missing for about 4 weeks....any ideas? :P

[~jetjaguar15]

I had no idea I was such an enigma.. It's good to know that somebody out there does enjoy what little I've done for the scene.

Anyway, I'll try to be a little less mysterious now... ;D

[~Mico R]

i wonder why nobody go to synthpop.net, i think if you chose diff color schema you will have more visit. too white now and you only have 200 people subscribe and nothing in the forum time to change the system

MICO

[~jetjaguar15]

Micke is doing some re-designing now, to freshen things up a bit...

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by IntrospecT
"Spider man, spider man, friendly neighborhood spider man........."

Delobbo, you need to hire yourself out! My cat has been missing for about 4 weeks....any ideas? :P

IntroSpect,

an Ace Ventura, I am not. :D However, I wish you good luck finding your cat. Possibly he/she needed some time alone, and will be back in due time. Cats do this sometimes.

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by Mico R
i wonder why nobody go to synthpop.net, i think if you chose diff color schema you will have more visit. too white now and you only have 200 people subscribe and nothing in the forum time to change the system

MICO

I think Synthpop.NET and this site should merge content or cross-breed. They seem to pretty much have the same idea except there's no music on Synthpop.NET. I maybe hit that site once in a while because they do have the occasional cool piece of content and to catch up on Jason's reviews.

Dave

[~Midihead]

Well folks, there goes the banner holder with rotating "E" in the TV screen. The last of the silver that used to adorn this site is finally gone, all but the artist pages which will probably follow soon. I guess the point is to make it look more like "The Garden", hence all the organic colors (ugh). Synthpop.net is a much cleaner looking site, no doubt...but I'm not a fan of a white background...hurts my eyes when I'm surfing in the dark. I wanted to merge with Synthpop.net around the time that SynthCon 2001 was happening in Hollywood. I talked to the site owner about possibly joining strengths...but he just didn't seem all that interested. I'd probably still own it if I could have convinced him to do it. Oh well.

What's interesting about this whole deal is that when I founded this site, I never used it as a vehicle to blatantly promote myself. I tried to keep it a secret that the man behind Monolithic was also the man behind Electrogarden. My goal was to expose the world to our scene, our music. The Big 5 had so much control over all the other forms of media delivery...and the internet was wide open and free. I'm happy to see that at least some of my objectives were met. I'm sad to see that the current owners use the site as a vehicle to promote themselves...something that it was never originally intended for. If you can't figure it out, just take a look and see what artist has the most songs in the "top 40". It's pretty sad when you have to rig it for yourself. As you can see, I'm pretty damn disappointed in how it turned out. If I'd known the outcome...I would have never sold it.

Cheerz,

-Midihead

[~delobbo]

What?!?! That rotating logo in the TV screen was a hallmark of EGN. It brought me a comfort to see it rotating up there, and now it is just a barren wasteland up there, the site has lost all its pizazz without it. I hereby issue a petition for its return. All who say it should be back, let's hear a "yea". It was just minding its own business, wasn't hurting anyone. It had been there for some 4 years, and it did OK....... :<

I would also like to add, that if the removal of that logo was in any way, shape, or form, related to the existence of this thread, then it surely is a sad day for the people who come here to find sanctuary from their daily woes, when this site itself which is run by people "in the scene" needs to resort to such activity, in the interest of what, nobody knows. We should all be here to ADVANCE and PROMOTE this scene and therefore help it PROSPER and GROW, continually. Such tactics that have been seen here lately are, if anything, only detrimental to the scene, and are not helping at all. It is disappointing when "one of your own" would choose this type of action, given the facts at hand....... :<

-d

[~IntrospecT]

"YEA" from me....


I've only been a "gardener" for a little over the year. When I first joined, I felt that this was a friendly little community full of great ideas and comments....and alas, I too have watched it degrade. There are more fights, bickering (yes, I've been a culprit at times...not living in a glass house here, as none of us should) and degrading of each other then is necessary on this board. I agree with Delobbo, this should be a place to advance and grow, not a place to try and prove that your thoughts are sooooooo much better then anyone elses. In a way, I wish that Midihead hadn't sold it as well.

So where do we go from here? Does someone post after this, quoting what I've written, and put their "you're an idiot for posting that" attitude in their response, or do we pick ourselves up by our boot straps, brush eachother off, and try to "fix" what we don't like? Guess we'll find out....

[NoirTech]

Originally posted by IntrospecT

So where do we go from here? Does someone post after this, quoting what I've written, and put their "you're an idiot for posting that" attitude in their response, or do we pick ourselves up by our boot straps, brush eachother off, and try to "fix" what we don't like? Guess we'll find out....

Why not both?

Kidding kidding. :-) hehehe. Sorry man. Couldn't help it. Blame the stress at work.

[~IntrospecT]

lol.....
good answer! Go get you 25th cup - o - joe and get back to work! :D

[~Kirlian Blue]

ermmm im just a b*tch anyway buit such is life i still think you cant get better than the electrogarden on the web b*tching is part of the www........Also what might be offensive to one person might not be to another as I've seen twice here...anyway im just a cheap sl*t who hangs in the corner of the garden putting on his black eyeliner and serviceing the needs of peoples humour....

Im sure this place will become bigger and better! Bitc*ing is just part of a forum it wont stop just like my desire for music it wont stop..we al have idols and we all clash on idea's ..I think im sounding like an old 80's has been( I know a few) ...i like it here anyway!:)

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by IntrospecT
I've only been a "gardener" for a little over the year. When I first joined, I felt that this was a friendly little community full of great ideas and comments....and alas, I too have watched it degrade. There are more fights, bickering (yes, I've been a culprit at times...not living in a glass house here, as none of us should) and degrading of each other then is necessary on this board.

I disagree.. I think this community has grown closer and the users simply feel more "comfortable" calling bullsh.it on each other more often. Discordant opinions hurt sometimes but they usually have a great deal of enlightenment in them.

The negative I think that has occured is the introduction of what appears to be an underlying political system that no one understands. It pisses people off and sometimes feels as if our intelligence is being insulted.

When the site owners aren't both active as well as identified, to me, that ends up calling a lot of stuff into question. Those sorts of hurt feelings, hidden agendas, and the other rather obvious games that get played on here leave a rather bad taste in my mouth at times.

We should speak our minds, TRY HARD to be civil, and apologize later if we hurt feelings.

We can be kind AND honest.

Dave

[~Jupiter 4]

This infuriates me! I was the keyboardist for Quiet Riot and am offended that MidiHead would claim that he was. I left just before they got big, and then went onto serve as the keyboardist for Poison, Whitesnake, Guns and Roses, LA Guns, Judas Priest, Afrika Bambatta, and Dead or Alive.

[~IntrospecT]

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
This infuriates me! I was the keyboardist for Quiet Riot and am offended that MidiHead would claim that he was. I left just before they got big, and then went onto serve as the keyboardist for Poison, Whitesnake, Guns and Roses, LA Guns, Judas Priest, Afrika Bambatta, and Dead or Alive.

You did not! Quit lying! You know that your were my keyboardist when I was going under my pseudo-name "Billy Idol"!!! or was that billy joel?......billy corgan?....hell, I can't remember, it was so long ago!

[~delobbo]

Dave you "hit the nail on the head" with your comment regarding the underlying political system here, that surely does leave a bad taste in the mouth. OK - here is the deal - I don't think anyone is looking for a "candy-coated" existence here at this board. I surely am not. I am a believer in the concept that, the more open you can be either with someone or on something (such as this board) - the closer you are to those groups and entities therein. So that being said, it would make sense that we should, within some reason, be able to say anything we want here, given that we take accountability for our words/actions, and are ready for any consequences, and also maintain an expected level of courteousness, respect, and privity, when and where applicable. This should be common knowledge. (ok I have to go but I will be back later.)

-d
at work...

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
This infuriates me! I was the keyboardist for Quiet Riot and am offended that MidiHead would claim that he was. I left just before they got big, and then went onto serve as the keyboardist for Poison, Whitesnake, Guns and Roses, LA Guns, Judas Priest, Afrika Bambatta, and Dead or Alive.

lol always nice to hear a humorous tad of infos in between the serious stuff in things like this. :D nice list of bands there, lol.

-d

[NJOberheim]

Bring back the rotating E!!!!

[Avil]

Very amusing thread indeed. Seems like we have tons of known people around. Especially that Billy Idol...whatever guy ;)

Originally posted by NJOberheim
Bring back the rotating E!!!!

Hahaha...are people acctually thinking about this one???!

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by Avil
Very amusing thread indeed. Seems like we have tons of known people around. Especially that Billy Idol...whatever guy ;)

Hahaha...are people acctually thinking about this one???!

You probably just never notice it enough to miss it, because you're too busy posting!!!!!!! Ms. 4200+ posts.... ;)

-d

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
This infuriates me! I was the keyboardist for Quiet Riot and am offended that MidiHead would claim that he was. I left just before they got big, and then went onto serve as the keyboardist for Poison, Whitesnake, Guns and Roses, LA Guns, Judas Priest, Afrika Bambatta, and Dead or Alive.

*ROFLMFAO*

I knew I recognized you!!

You know one of the things that CRACKED ME UP THE MOST about the 80s? When Eddie Van Halen started playing some keyboards.

Everyone jizzed themselves over his "brilliance" as a keyboardist and were saying stupid stuff like "Man, he's as good of a keyboardist as he is a guitarist"...

Not that he sucks as a guitarist because he doesn't but those synth leads are less complicated than what's usually accomplished by a 5 year old during their first year of piano lessons with "Mrs. Smith next door".

Dave

[~delobbo]

lol. here's a couple of midi files I just found.......

Van Halen
Jump (http://www.fineartweb.de/tools/midi/titel/Van_Halen-Jump.mid)
Dreams (http://www.fineartweb.de/tools/midi/titel/Van_Halen-Dreams.mid)

lol

-d

[~Jupiter 4]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cliffwalk
[b]

*ROFLMFAO*

I knew I recognized you!!

You know one of the things that CRACKED ME UP THE MOST about the 80s? When Eddie Van Halen started playing some keyboards.



And that is when "Jump" became a preset patch on every Korg, Roland, Casio, and Yamaha from 1984-1988!

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cliffwalk

And that is when "Jump" became a preset patch on every Korg, Roland, Casio, and Yamaha from 1984-1988!

Ahhhhhhh.......... a brief early history of the life and times of Van Halen. Brought to you cordially by your #1 source for all the latest Van Halen news, the Electrogarden Network. :D :D

-d
personal fav VH songs:
Panama
Dreams
Humans Being

[~Jupiter 4]

Delobbo--you've opened Pandora's Box. Who knows? You may find Eddie's solo work on ADD. How could you forget "Janie's Cryin'?" or "Runnin' With the Devil?" or "F*** tha Police?" Woops, that last one was NWA, sorry.

[~delobbo]

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
Delobbo--you've opened Pandora's Box. Who knows? You may find Eddie's solo work on ADD. How could you forget "Janie's Cryin'?" or "Runnin' With the Devil?" or "F*** tha Police?" Woops, that last one was NWA, sorry.

wait refresh my memory - did you say you were the lead singer or keyboardist for any and/or all of the following bands:

1) Winger 2) RATT 3) Poison 4) Cinderella 5) Bon Jobi 6) Prince 7) Gondwanaland 8) Motley Crue 9) Judas Priest 10) Foreigner 11) Jackal 12) Whitesnake 13) Vince Neil 14) Rays 16) Jackal 17) Foreigner 18) Virginia Woolf 19) Tempest 20) Quiet Riot 21) Def Leppard 22) White Zombie 23) NWA 24) Michael Jackson 24) Stone Temple pilots 25) Vince Neil 26) Megadeth 27) Winger 28) Jackass 29) George Thoroughgood (sp) and the Decepticons 30) Nine inch Nails 31) Wombat 32) Numbskull 33) Compack 34) Candlebox 35) Splitman 36) Newman

sooo..... uhh... which one is it.......

-d

[~Jupiter 4]

You shall only see me in VH1's "Way, way behind the music!"

[~Midihead]

Don't be surprised if this thread gets the "delete" button soon. I just got an email from "the man" accusing me of staging this thread to get attention. Anyone else get an email telling you to keep this kind of discussion off the forums and take it directly to the EG Gods? Well, that's censorship. Why shouldn't we be allowed to challenge the practices of this site publicly? I was hoping that the owners would come in and make a statement, but as you can see...no such thing has occurred.

It was explained to me that the artists that dominate the "top 40" are "premium" artists...so to translate:

If you want to be a "top 40" artist at Electrogarden you must pay to achieve such status. Ahh, reminds me of all the other sell out sites like MP3.com. So, basically you can be in the "top 40" regardless of how little talent you have. Is that REALLY how it's supposed to work? I suppose the answer would be "yes" if we lived in a communist country.

OK, I've said enough. Maybe the next move is to revoke my membership?

-Midihead

[~IntrospecT]

I for one must say that it doesn't surprise me. I want "the powers that be" to know that if this thread was "staged" by midihead, I was completley unaware, and have spoken my words out of my own free will...

Let the chips fall where they may, but banning Midihead will only prove his point in general anyways......cutting off ones nose to spite their face only leaves you with a bad sense of smell.

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by MidiheadDon't be surprised if this thread gets the "delete" button soon. I just got an email from "the man" accusing me of staging this thread to get attention. Anyone else get an email telling you to keep this kind of discussion off the forums and take it directly to the EG Gods? Well, that's censorship. Why shouldn't we be allowed to challenge the practices of this site publicly?

Hehehehe... you didn't know this was going on?

This place has a history of doing all sorts of things to manipulate how the forums run.

I've seen certain promotional posts by individuals with administrator/moderator priveleges kept elevated in the "Recent Posts" list even though no one was replying to it.

I've also seen SEVERAL threads just totally disappear (not even just "CLOSED") because they contained material that called into the question the very things you are talking about.

I wouldn't be surprised if this thread went the same way soon.

THAT'S what makes me dislike this place. It certainly isn't the people because there are VERY good people on here.

This place has become a very unsuccessful advertisement for Gebrauche-Musik and someone's very pissed off about that.

Bummer, ehh?

Dave

[~admin]

The EGN Charts are calculated using a broad criteria. Premium artists do have an advantage in the charts under the current setup mainly because guests that are not registered can play the tracks where only members can stream the non-premium artists. If some feel that is rigging and selling out, fine.

Threads are closed and deleted only when they become abusive, too vulgar, infringe on member privacy, or otherwise break forum rules. There is no random thread removal. Otherwise we take a lot of care in keeping this forum clean and organized.

It is not easy to moderate a public forum, anyone that has ever had to do it knows that. As a public internet space, the more popular the site becomes, the harder it is to maintain a degree of quality in the forum.

This place has become a very unsuccessful advertisement for Gebrauche-Musik and someone's very pissed off about that.

That is just plain ridiculous. There are other premium artists on this site that dominate the charts, but no one has been able to dethrone Iris and some ADD bands that are always in the top 5 and Iris is always #1 so what is your point? Again, there is a broad criteria controlling the chart movement.

[~delobbo]

Ok. Let me be perfectly clear here. I started this thread, through and out of MY OWN WILL. Yes, I can think for myself (shocking). The FACT of the matter is, when I found out what I found out (i.e. what's in my first post) - I felt the need to post this, period. I will readily give credit where credit is due. And that's all I was doing with this thread. I really did not think it would become something like this. I mean why? Why should it have? It started out as just a piece of history. A random anecdote. A "factoid". That's all it was. How it has turned into this, I don't know. Maybe its for the better that this issue has come into full view (whereas before it might have been speculation)... If this thread is deleted/locked, it will only prove that point... I guess we shall wait and see. But - I think the bigger issue has already been demonstrated, regardless of what happens now....

-d

[~KissTheStar]

My response here is not in the capacity of a representative of the Electrogarden. It is here strictly as a personal opinion and does not neccessarily represent the EGN official position ...

That being said ....

Do you realize that the "owners" of this site have dumped thousands of dollars into this site and are operating at a loss for the love of the music? If you do not like the site then don't come to it. If you care enough and can do it better, pony up the bucks and make your own site. I am sick of all you armchair quarterbacks who are paranoid schizophrenic and think the world is out to get them. NEW FLASH PEOPLE >>> NO ONE HERE IS THAT IMPORTANT >>> at this point at least.

Are you all so paranoid that you actually think that there is POLITICO behind the site? You got to be kidding me. I pretty much am the only person who posts a damn thing on this site on a consitent basis who has any official affiliation with the EGN, and I can say that my responses are in no way political, just my own damn opinion ... you all are as responsible as anyone for creating cliques within the community.

You keep tearing down the site but you keep coming back. Do yourself a favor and if you hate it so much stay away. Maybe the charts should go away completely? Maybe the free music should become a part of the history .... or better yet keep the meat of the site and ditch these forums. They serve as much a destructive element for the scene as positive one. People like to tear down to make themselves feel better. Step up to the plate people ... do it better ... do it your way ... it's a free country ... you can have your opinions but don't expect people to sit back and always agree with you. Threads only get locked or deleted once they become abusive or profane. If you have a problem with that I am sure there are tons of porn chats site that you could visit.

That's all I have to say ... go ahead and tear me down for my opinion now. Maybe you would all prefer no EGN ... maybe that is closer to reality than you all realize.

[~IntrospecT]

Introspect Stands up, applaudes Craig (#2 guy on the egn spectrum).

You truly do have, and have always have had, the balls to speak your mind. I think that we should all get something out of what Craig has said...... I'm sure that it seems odd that the most visible EGN admin would say something like that....there are no pedestals here, just a bunch of people that enjoy a particular genre / scene. I have to agree,
I'm sure that no-one here truly wants EGN to "vanish", and I for one do appreciate that time effort and funds that have gone into making this little "fight club" of a sight! Actually, I get a lot of great things from this site, but I still stand by my statement that there is way too much ego-throwing, attitude mashing arrogance. Let's stop with all the damn Bullsh*t, and get back to what we do best......supporting the scene, supporting each other, and supporting a website that allows us the freedom to discuss our thoughts, ideas, and so-forth in a reasonable and decent manner.

I'm done with this thread I think....feel free to bash me to.........

With all my support for Craig/KTS, Midihead, and the rest of you!

Sean

[~delobbo]

I went through a phase where I did stay away from EGN for a long time (I think about a year, somewhere between 2002-2003). I know, nobody noticed (and I wouldn't have expected anyone to). That's cool. No, I don't come on here for recognition or to feel important. But anyways, I came back here for some reason and got active (to some extent) in the threads again... not sure why. So that's that. Ok I guess I just won't speak my mind anymore - not like I'm the most vocal person on this site... Either that, or not come to the site. That's cool, I think I can handle that.

I do have to say this is a valuable site with good infos and things to learn about the scene, and music to hear. Very good, I will readily give it credit for that. It's just too bad that you feel like you are walking on broken glass here, because somebody might not like what you say. But "it's a free country", right? Interesting.

If I knew this thread would have generated this kind of response, it is doubtful I would have posted it...

-d

[~Midihead]

Craig,

Are you TRYING to turn this into a SHOUTING match so you can get the thread shut down? Calm thyself...take a valium or some thorazine or something. Your biased, so how can your rant be taken seriously? There's no possible way you can look at this from any other perspective than from the ivory tower you think you're in. Not only that but how in the name of Hades can we take someone seriously who left a loving wife and 5 children to be a rock star? You call us paranoid? If I were you I'd be the paranoid one, sir. Woops, that just shut the thread down.

You've got this dual middle finger flashing attitude that didn't need to be. I don't recall coming in here with my guns a blazing. I'm just simply calling it as I see it...no one is proving me otherwise. You've got to understand something however, this site was MY brainchild...a part of me. You can't possibly understand what it's like to have been forced to give something you loved so dearly up because you couldn't make it survive on your own...and no one offered to help, either. It was like giving up your child for adoption because you're too handicapped to take care of it anymore. There are plenty of fools out there spreading the story that selling the site was my original intention. Those people don't know me, because if they did they wouldn't make such foolish accusations. I had faith that Electrogarden was being placed into the right hands. Things were going well, and then slowly...I started hearing stories like the one about Venus Hum. Apparently they weren't big enough to get an article on this site...until they had gotten some radio play. Then it was like this frenzy to get their contact info. This attitude is against the WHY I started Electrogarden in the first place. Rigging up the "top 40", playing big brother with the forums, gratuitous self promotion by the owners...all things that I'm against. Forgive me but it was like seeing that baby grow up in a home full of abuse and neglect. I'm probably the ONLY one who will understand this. I too put A LOT of sleepless nights, blood, sweat and tears into this site to get it off the ground. Don't you talk to me as if I've never lifted a finger for Electrogarden.

Cheerz,

-Midihead

[~cliffwalk]

..several people said that threads are removed because they are profane...

Ummm.... yeah... OK...

??

http://www.electrogarden.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=80218#post80218

Define PROFANE? Using the Admin's name in vane or talking about "Midget Porn"?


Originally posted by Midihead
Don't you talk to me as if I've never lifted a finger for Electrogarden.

All of the other stuff you said aside, Mike, I think that his comments about the contributions to the site were more aimed at people like myself.

Listen, this site is where my "online friends" hang out and that is, by far, the only reason I even visit this site. The forums. With all of this silly, sometime pedantic, drama I think there's also a lot positive things going on that are hard to see.

But.... I'm calling it as I see it... the Userbase of this site is NO LESS responsible for its sucess than the people who, I might add CHOOSE to own it. Yes, CHOOSE. This group of people could have assembled the same resources in any number of ways and would have.

If all my friends were to suddenly change sites to say, Synthpop.NET (who actually run similar software and have forums), I'd follow in a heartbeat. I'm not here for the site, I'm here for two things... the forums and well... occasionally content here and there, maybe the occasional song ... all stuff I could get just about anywhere else, however.

So let's take the administrators off the Ivory Tower as well, shall we? They choose to take that loss and shouldn't be expecting some sort of sainthood for it.

Dave

[~KissTheStar]

Originally posted by Midihead

Not only that but how in the name of Hades can we take someone seriously who left a loving wife and 5 children to be a rock star? You call us paranoid? If I were you I'd be the paranoid one, sir. Woops, that just shut the thread down.



That was way across the line Mike ... you have NO IDEA what is going on in my personal life ... as I also happen to know much about your personal life and issues in your marriage but would never air it here on a public forum. Is that what Jesus would do? Is that a Christian way of addressing an issue? You just showed your true colors and yes it is likely this thread will be shut down now ...

Good luck with your life ...

Thanks for making this personal Mike.