I just listened to " I am Gothic "

[~mcintyrep2000]

Isn't this board supposed to be PRO-synthpop? I try to support the up and comers as much as possible, but...and this is my opinion and I'm sure there will be those who disagree...that song SUCKS!!!!

[~Paradoxxx]

Hihihi... now where did you get that idea ? ;) such a nice song to sing-along.... lalala I am gothic, lalala

[~KissTheStar]

This board IS pro-synthpop ... it is also pro any music that incorporates electronic instruments in general. This is the Electrogarden, not the Synthpopgarden. Granted synthpop is the largest contingent on the board. I myself may not be a huge fan of the song as well, but I also enjoy goth music and the "rivetheads" are a large part of the electronic music community in general.

hehehehe the song is pretty funny and I would hazard a bit tongue in cheek as well. But I can't say for certain.

~Craig

[~Paradoxxx]

I want to believe they were not serious when they made this song and that the whole thing is a joke. The moment I think this song is anything but a parody to the taken for granted clichés, I will have to hire someone to go and give the band some well deserved pain.
Even if it's just a joke it still isn't my cup of tea... sounds too much like Britney Spears on acid.

[~mcintyrep2000]

Ok, the term "sucks" is inappropriate. I should have used the phrase, "not that great" perhaps.

Music is art and should be open to critique. If they were making "I Am Gothic" as a parody of that genre or lifestyle, they scored well.

[~Jupiter 4]

Pray tell, everyone and anyone, what is a "Rivethead?"

[~Human Clone]

Originally posted by Jupiter 4
Pray tell, everyone and anyone, what is a "Rivethead?"

Rivetheads are fans of Industrial music.

[~pop]

I can't listen to a song that is called, "I am Gothic."
Why not call their next single, "My mom likes Synthpop."

[~Bornslippy]

No way, I luv that track.. That song "I am gothic" is one of the most clever and catchy tracks to come out from England, just my opinion.. The music rox too.. It's a really fun track..

[Avil]

I couldn´t remember this song so I went to check it out again, because I knew that I had heard it before, and then discovered that I have acctually rated it an 8 which means that I did like it.

I think this song is something my little sister would like (no offence), it´s catchy, and for those who understands the lyrics, this song is also very funny!!

I am Gothic, I´m scary...

But the little intro is really cute, a little lullaby! :)

[~Brand New Idol]

Actually be honest, if you think it sucks it sucks and that's your opinion don't fall back on your feeling. Personally I never comment on songs from other bands, but this time I gotta say I can't listen to the song without cringing to the lyrics.

Kris

[~intro]

Not my thing. But funny. Anyone who can't see this is a joke has got blinders on.

-Mark staples the back of his hand to his forehead
www.djintrovert.com

[~gordonctrl]

yeah "i am gothic" is just a goofy song.....but it pretty well sums up most of my dealings with the gothic end of the synthpop culture that I have had dealings with in the past 3-4 years...

(-:

-->brad<--

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
Isn't this board supposed to be PRO-synthpop? I try to support the up and comers as much as possible, but...and this is my opinion and I'm sure there will be those who disagree...that song SUCKS!!!!

OK... I'm just going to throw this out there...

This IS Pop music we're making (or in my case, learning how to make). One device used in some of the BEST songwriting is sarcasm and mockery.

While I actually am not at all a fan of Spray (sorry, just not my cup of tea) I did crack up the first time I heard that song...

I LIKE music that's smartassed... Some of the best songwriters in the world are also the worlds biggest smartasses..

I wrote a really silly song recently called "Plastic Baskets" (http://www.ampcast.com/cliffwalk) ...to inappropriately plug myself...

It's 100% sarcasm to its fullest and it actually makes fun of EVERYONE... Especially my generation... (read the words, the humor isn't subtle)

It's about as artistically inept as I'm capable of getting and I can dig pretty low... but, ya know what... it made people laugh... it even made them think... and IRONICALLY, it's the most popular song I've ever published on the web by a LARGE leap...

It's good NOT to take ones self too seriously...

peace

dave

[~mcintyrep2000]

It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back. These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff. Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs, quit calling is synthpop, pump a little more song structure, drop the drum loops back a notch, and move it "back" to where it should be....think Siouxsee and the Banshees, Smiths, and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs. Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!!

[~KissTheStar]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
....think Siouxsee and the Banshees, Smiths, and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs.

I find a few ironies in your post ... this being the most glaring. Siouxsie and the Banshee's were considered Goth by a great many in the 80s. I will grant you they are not a DM knockoff.

2nd point ... the Goth culture kept the torch lit for much of the 90s for Electronic music. Labels such as Cleopatra and Metropolis helped pushed to the wayside artists such as Gary Numan and Peter Murphy maintain a base to distribute their music. I feel personally that without the Goth fan base, the genre would be suffering to a greater degree than it is now. Maybe it is a problem with image, but Electronic bands need as many fans as they can get IMO.


~Craig

[~Paradoxxx]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back. These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff. Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs,

I beg your pardon ???!!!! Suburban freaks ???? Nutjobs ???
I do believe you have an attitude problem. Take it as offensive if you want, but I would feel happy if you crawled back to under the rock from under which you just emerged.
I don't like you... you don't seem like a nice person. :| It's minds like yours that hold synthpop (and the whole humankind) back. Good luck on your quest for "acceptance from the masses".
The nerve of some people...

[7red7]

I think it's funny...It's a clever little song, and I get that it could just be a joke...Thats okay, we all need a goog laugh every now and then :)

[~Human Clone]

Originally posted by fahnuir


I beg your pardon ???!!!! Suburban freaks ???? Nutjobs ???
I do believe you have an attitude problem. Take it as offensive if you want, but I would feel happy if you crawled back to under the rock from under which you just emerged.
I don't like you... you don't seem like a nice person. :| It's minds like yours that hold synthpop (and the whole humankind) back. Good luck on your quest for &quot;acceptance from the masses&quot;.
The nerve of some people...

Bravo (claps hands) well said.

[~pop]

1. Dark electronic does not equals to DM. DM starts to bore many people's ears.
2. NOT all 80s synthpops were corney.
3. Weird Al was corney.
4. Mr. Beans is comedy.
5. Goth is not Electronic
6. Synthpop doesn't have to be cheezy. It can be cheezy.
7. Synthpop is not only modern electronic. Open your ears. Go to Drum & Bass night, Trance night, Techno night, fight to breakcore with antigalmours, and go boogie with House music.

> Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back.

What are you snoring? I thought synthpop was 22 years old?
Ah? Holding us back? I think we are about two decades behind.
What makes us go forward? Stop listening to the freaking 80s
bandS and copy their sounds. Those bands who copy 80s bands
are holding us back. They make us look like we are still stuck in the 80s. Do you want to look just like the hippies? Neon shirts are just like tie-dye shirt of the 80s.

>These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff.

I am not Goth, but read above statement. Key word is "tie -dye shirts." WOO... NEON!!

> Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs, quit calling is synthpop, pump a little more song structure, drop the drum loops back a notch, and move it "back" to where it should be....

Let's make our beats so corney and cheezy that even George Bush can dance to it. Great idea. What are you smoking again?

>think Siouxsee and the Banshees,
Goth band.

> Smiths,
80s Indie band. These examples don't associate very well.

> and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs.

OK. SO, Weird Al is the answer.

> Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!!

I also write classical music. I am also helping a professor write
electronica opera, but I refuse to use many musical concept in my music. Music theory is a freaking choice. That's why they call it theory, DUH!!
Any morons can learn how to read music if they try.
Just like anybody can learn French if they want to.
Electronica wasn't about music theory.
You definetly don't understand where Electronica was about
and where it is going. Go rent "Modulation."

[~KissTheStar]

Originally posted by pop
5. Goth is not Electronic


I agree almost 100% with Pop. This statement interests me and I am equating it to this:

Goth is in of itself not electronic, however many goth bands incorporate Electronic music as a large part of their sound. Gary Numan may be a case in point (his later work) or maybe Bella Morte. So being Goth does not mean you are Electronic but you can be Electronic and be Goth in my opinion.

I think I enjoy splitting hairs.

~Craig

[~pop]

Based on my observation, only 35% of Goths listen to Electronic. That's why Goth electroheads formed a definition called, "Rivetheard." Many Goth people will dance to EBM in the club, but they will not listen to them at home. One day, they will have a Rave that will include Industrial/EBM/DnB to their sets. All the lovers of electronica head music will enjoy each others music just like the Rockheads are doing. Don't I sound like Martin Luther King? HEHEHEHE...

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back. These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff. Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs, quit calling is synthpop, pump a little more song structure, drop the drum loops back a notch, and move it "back" to where it should be....think Siouxsee and the Banshees, Smiths, and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs. Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!!

Hey, um....

I would hazard to guess a majority of the bands in this scene can read music... actually MOST have rather long standing backgrounds in it that go beyond just electronic music... I wouldn't even consider myself an active artist and I have extensive training (not that it REALLY matters --- to be brutally honest)

Either way ---- I really don't what you're asking for?? Do you want 80s retro bands? Huh?

Also --- listen to the bands on here... quite frankly they aren't a bunch of DM knock-offs.... you're way off base there...

respectfully but a bit annoyed
-dave

[~KissTheStar]

Hey Dave ..... Meg and I are wondering if that is you in the baseball chapeau in your avatar?

Oh and regarding what you said above .....

"Ditto"

knock offingly yours,

~Craig

[7red7]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back. These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff. Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs, quit calling is synthpop, pump a little more song structure, drop the drum loops back a notch, and move it "back" to where it should be....think Siouxsee and the Banshees, Smiths, and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs. Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!!

I have to jump in here as well...I'm a complete 80's freak, but in all honestly I think the reason I love it the decade (particularly the music) so much is because it's over...The last thing I want to see is history constantly repeat itself and every band sounding the same, which by the way, is not the case in the synth (put your label on it) scene today...

Originally posted by pop
Based on my observation, only 35% of Goths listen to Electronic. That's why Goth electroheads formed a definition called, "Rivetheard." Many Goth people will dance to EBM in the club, but they will not listen to them at home. One day, they will have a Rave that will include Industrial/EBM/DnB to their sets. All the lovers of electronica head music will enjoy each others music just like the Rockheads are doing. Don't I sound like Martin Luther King? HEHEHEHE...



You know you kind of do, but thats alright :laugh:


Seriously though you couldn't be more dead on with what you said here...In fact, it's already like this in So. Cal...No joke, go into any electronic club, or local record store and you'll see these so-called "Rivetheads" listening, dancing, buying, and enjoying themselves to this music...When you break down the genre walls, and just see it for what it is, you got music...Good old fashioned electronic music...Made to be enjoyed by those who enjoy a good song, and made by those who enjoy making a song...

I love music, I love every genre, I love making music, I love you all!!!


Tree-huggingly Yours :D

DAN

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by catslastdance
Hey Dave ..... Meg and I are wondering if that is you in the baseball chapeau in your avatar?

Oh and regarding what you said above .....

"Ditto"

knock offingly yours,

~Craig

Yup, that's me, it's an old picture taken in Maui 3 or so years ago .... Since then I've put off about 65 lbs and wear my hair ultra short but haven't taken a picture worth scanning and cropping to replace that one with :)

I'm going to work on my NEW KEWL K0V3R of Bizarre Love Triangle... Original idea, huh? I just got a CD full of fresh Acidized l00pz and I want to get it done before someone recognizes them. ;) Then I can start working on my cover of Just Can't Get Enough... except, I need to pick up the plug-in that makes music in MAJOR. Hell if I know what a major scale is.

(OK, I'm just getting wierd now)

peace
dave

[NJOberheim]

I agree with you Pop.

>mcintyrep2000 - "Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!! "

I know I speak for a lot of Synthpop musicians when I say that not being able to read music in no way hinders the ability to write awsome music.

Rich

[~mcintyrep2000]

Ok, I admit it. I'm a rocker and a friend pointed me to this board. I fully respect any artist's expression, I may not like it, but I respect their right to create crap if they want to...it's what got us all here. More than anything, it's good to see a few people get riled up, and take action against the infectious pansies that have unfortunately become the stereotype of the synthpop genre. Yes, I stereotype, just like all other human beings...it's not good, but it's a human trait nonetheless. If you are so bold to say you don't, then you've got some stuff to work out.

Anyway, I stirred this pot to get a reaction. It served my assumption true that many synthpop fans are divided on their own music. You've got one group (and you Goth types...do your thing, it's great...just stay away from my grandparents) that is totally cheesy...who for some reason thinks they're breaking new ground, then you've got another that wants to break new ground by, get this: putting more guitars in their keyboard music, so it sounds more hard and rough. I've never seen anyone study how they want their music to not sound vice how they would like it to come across, as the synthpop genre does. But, to further my lack of a point, it is good to see there are some synthpoppers out there with some cajones that want to stand for whatever it is that they are trying to prove to the rest of the music community. All I wanted to say is, quit trying to prove the validity of the music, learn how to play the piano and write music, then turn on the electronics...you'll like the result, and then you may be on to something.

Ok, this should be good...and if you take this stuff personally, don't correct your problem with psychiatric drugs...just toughen up a bit.

[~Human Clone]

Originally posted by catslastdance



I agree almost 100% with Pop. This statement interests me and I am equating it to this:

Goth is in of itself not electronic, however many goth bands incorporate Electronic music as a large part of their sound.

~Craig

I agree Craig it seems the new wave of Goth bands have added elements of electronica to their sound ie: Cruxshadows, Switchblade Symphony, The Creatures, even the new Fields of the Nephilim incorporates synths. It appears that the genre lines are being blurred...

[~KissTheStar]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
Ok, I admit it. I'm a rocker and a friend pointed me to this board. I fully respect any artist's expression, I may not like it, but I respect their right to create crap if they want to...it's what got us all here. More than anything, it's good to see a few people get riled up, and take action against the infectious pansies that have unfortunately become the stereotype of the synthpop genre. Yes, I stereotype, just like all other human beings...it's not good, but it's a human trait nonetheless. If you are so bold to say you don't, then you've got some stuff to work out.

Anyway, I stirred this pot to get a reaction. It served my assumption true that many synthpop fans are divided on their own music. You've got one group (and you Goth types...do your thing, it's great...just stay away from my grandparents) that is totally cheesy...who for some reason thinks they're breaking new ground, then you've got another that wants to break new ground by, get this: putting more guitars in their keyboard music, so it sounds more hard and rough. I've never seen anyone study how they want their music to not sound vice how they would like it to come across, as the synthpop genre does. But, to further my lack of a point, it is good to see there are some synthpoppers out there with some cajones that want to stand for whatever it is that they are trying to prove to the rest of the music community. All I wanted to say is, quit trying to prove the validity of the music, learn how to play the piano and write music, then turn on the electronics...you'll like the result, and then you may be on to something.

Ok, this should be good...and if you take this stuff personally, don't correct your problem with psychiatric drugs...just toughen up a bit.

Interesting point. I actually am a rocker myself. I got my start in music when I was 16 years old on the good old guitar. Took a few music theory courses as well. I lived in Seattle at the height of the grunge movement and my band planned on being the next Janes Addiction or Stone Temple Pilots at the time. I am not interested in musical stereotypes. If you listen to the artist section here at the EGN you will find it difficult to pidgeon-hole many bands as well.

You are right when you say there are divisions within the genre and there have been many heated discussions on these boards amongst people fighting out genre classifications. It does get old but there are people with passion here ... no doubt.

Every song that I write I write initially on the guitar and then convert it to an "Electronic" song. It's the way I learned how to write. It's the way I love to write.

There is more than one way to skin, uhhhhhh, a cat.

~Craig

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
All I wanted to say is, quit trying to prove the validity of the music, learn how to play the piano and write music, then turn on the electronics...you'll like the result, and then you may be on to something.

Ok, this should be good...and if you take this stuff personally, don't correct your problem with psychiatric drugs...just toughen up a bit.

What exactly >>IS<< your "relavent" point? I mean I think I get your point.... or maybe POINTS... but I'm looking really hard... I can't seem to find one that:

(a) Applys at all to this scene.
(b) Applys to even a small minority of musicians represented on this site.
(c) Has ANY sort of merit behind it.


-dave

[~Paradoxxx]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
get riled up, and take action against the infectious pansies that have unfortunately become the stereotype of the synthpop genre. (...)

(...) putting more guitars in their keyboard music, so it sounds more hard and rough.
(...) learn how to play the piano and write music, then turn on the electronics...you'll like the result, and then you may be on to something.

Ok, this should be good...and if you take this stuff personally, don't correct your problem with psychiatric drugs...just toughen up a bit.


Who would be the "infectious pansies" in any case ? I didn't quite understand who they are this time. Before they were goths... now I can't really see who they would be. All I se is your need to bring someone down in order to prove your points and taste.

Putting guitars on their music to make it sound hard or rough ? I think for example :wumpscut: or Hocico are hard and rough enough without needing guitars that much. You want more guitars in synth-based music because you like the way it sounds. Just that. Not because that will make the music sound better or worse, or be more tough or more artistic or whatever. It is just because you like it... no need for other excuses. I respect that. can you respect the "infectious pansies" who may not share your refined tastes ?

The one about the psychiatric drugs I didn't really understand, but it's not like the rest of your post made much sense also, so I'll just leave it...

[~pop]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000

I've never seen anyone study how they want their music to not sound vice how they would like it to come across, as the synthpop genre does. But, to further my lack of a point, it is good to see there are some synthpoppers out there with some cajones that want to stand for whatever it is that they are trying to prove to the rest of the music community. All I wanted to say is, quit trying to prove the validity of the music, learn how to play the piano and write music, then turn on the electronics...you'll like the result, and then you may be on to something.

Ok, this should be good...and if you take this stuff personally, don't correct your problem with psychiatric drugs...just toughen up a bit.

God.... You don't get it. You have no idea how music works.
Dance music is root note based!!!! It is about minimalism. TRUST ME. When YOU FILTER A FREAKING SOUND, even you tune your patch to a4=440, it does not always stay that way!!!!
I am not getting into what filtering is about. look it up.
I hate talking music theory with someone who thinks he knows it. I can shred your knowledge to so little, you won't find A note in a piano for few weeks.
Go back to your simple rock n roll and circle of 5th. Greatest composer in the world never learned how to read music. Christ sake, Stevie Wonder is freaking blind!!!! He wrote better tune than any PHD music theory professors. It is waste of my breath
to argue with someone who doesn't have a clue.

[~andrew [iris]]

please, friends, this is ridiculous

there's an amazing amount of ego on this thread, would anyone like to share their killer tracks to back it up?

cheers,
andrew

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by andrew [iris]
please, friends, this is ridiculous

there's an amazing amount of ego on this thread, would anyone like to share their killer tracks to back it up?

cheers,
andrew

but....but...but... he's dissing on the homies, bro!!!

no killer tracks here (plenty of tracks that make me want to kill myself, however)

dave

PS: um, i studied plenty of music theory and play piano quite well and have transcripts AND recordings to back that up.... and I STILL suck...(relative to what I want to sound like)

[~pop]

Music is a mystery. Just like life and death. You don't have to study religion to understand what life is about. Samething applies to music. Anybody who claims what music is about is a fool. How come top singles artists can no longer produce hits anymore? Did he forget music theory or his luck ran out?
I know a local DJ who sold half million copies without even knowing one chord in the piano. Tell me how that works if you are so knowledgeable.

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by pop
Music is a mystery. Just like life and death. You don't have to study religion to understand what life is about. Samething applies to music. Anybody who claims what music is about is a fool. How come top singles artists can no longer produce hits anymore? Did he forget music theory or his luck ran out?
I know a local DJ who sold half million copies without even knowing one chord in the piano. Tell me how that works if you are so knowledgeable.

Yeah --- I always have found it interesting that both times I've been to college I've had so many classes trying to "define" what is/is not art. Then it hit me: they're trying to make a point and humble the living hell out of us...

Khalil Gibran said (paraphrased) that art is in the gray area between the known and the unknown.

You either make stuff people like or you don't and no amount of anything is going to improve that EXCEPT persistance --- MAYBE...and then only maybe...

Dave

[~pop]

Most people, including myself still can't write a decent pop song even you dissect all the popular songs to each individual notes, mix, fxing, studio gears, and mastering. I hate the Ramones, but how come they had hits after hits with two freaking chords?

[~gordonctrl]

Originally posted by pop
Most people, including myself still can't write a decent pop song even you dissect all the popular songs to each individual notes, mix, fxing, studio gears, and mastering. I hate the Ramones, but how come they had hits after hits with two freaking chords?

---->I think the ramones had a lot of success because they helped pioneer a sound and a genre, if they would have appeared in 1986 instead of 1976 they probably would have been skipped over, but they were in the right place at the right time.....timing is everything

-->brad<---

[~Tim_BNI]

This whole thread is a pile of sh*t! I love the fact that everyone can be so blindly lead into this trap. Hell even my brother chimed in here. In the end it is all an attempt to prove some weak point by a self-proclaimed "rocker". Hey good one, you got the "infectious pansies" and they just blindly followed along. I'm not here to try to defend a scene as disfunctional as this. I am here because I am a synthpop musician. The simple fact is everyone is entitled to and opinion about music. But for the now obvious reason, some people find great joy in F...ing with those freaks in the synthpop scene. Hell we'll just sit here as our own cheering section to our personal butt-kicking. I'm sorry, I just can't be like that.

What is all this crap about the goth rivetheads? This scene couldn't support itself as the music industry ran off to find their own Nirvana/Pearl Jam. Those people in the goth scene carried the torch for our scene through the wall of guitar garbage that defined the "Alternative" 90's.

As far as the whole 80's thing goes, It's a simple fact synthpop has been a continuing genre for over 24 years. If you listen to what was being created then as opposed to now is should be obvious that there is a difference. But that is asking too much so, since you are a "rocker", hey man would you please stop rehashing the last fifty years already. That electric guitar is starting to sound really dated.

And finally dear mcintyrep2000, this is one "infectious pansy" that is more than willing and able to bust your little air guitar playing arse back into the garage. Don't think that you are going to find easy meat here for your tired old arguments. This little synthpop is not real music debate has been going on for years. In the late 70's bands like Fad Gadget were even labeled disposable music by the popular media. In the end, people like me are still in our studios in front of those new-fangled synthe-ma-things making the Devil's music.

[~KissTheStar]

Originally posted by Tim_BNI
This whole thread is a pile of sh*t! I love the fact that everyone can be so blindly lead into this trap. Hell even my brother chimed in here.

*Opens arms and welcomes Tim into the neurosis*

***inflatable ego dolls sold separately***

[~cliffwalk]

so, tim, was that just a really long winded "bite me"?

this too should pass...

only hate your music if you really hate your music, otherwise, make no apologies to anyone but yourself and maybe your neighbors if you happen to wake them up at 4am.... (oops)

-dave

[~Vladimir Valette]

ah yes, the debate over real music and fake music or something like it.


fist off, i lurrrv "i am gothic" and for all those offended by it. let your sense of humour run free for a little bit, the tongue-in-cheekness of the song is so readily apparent.

next, about this person making the usual inane predictable argument about synthpop music.....

i would simply like to say that those people who hold the electric guitar sacred for whatever reason really need to take stock, grab a blanket, pull up a chair and take a gander at their calendar to see that yes indeed, the year is now 2002. the arguments against electronic music are so bloody redundant that i have to wonder why people on this forum are risking arthritis talking about it. mr. mcentyre (sp!), the electric guitar and all that it currently represents has been abused as an instrument for a while now. there are very very few bands out there doing anything new with it and this you can tell easily by the new crop of guitar bands coming out now who sound so alike to each other you have to be an idiot not to notice.
not only that, who isn't using electronics in their music? i've got news for you, bud, walk into a studio and see how a "band" records. these ain't the good old days anymore, bub, because rarely do bands play live in the studio. i would venture to say at least 96% of the bands out there are tracking their parts and then wouldn't you know it, utilizing effects (electronic!), loops, and and other sweeteners to keep the music sounding halfway listenable or interesting. it's always interesting to hear people rely on punk as their main infleuence as far as purity in music. nirvana were good, i have every album! kurt was a lyrical visionary but let's face it, dave grohl was the man in the band and i think even he would agree in saying that their legacy is overrated, smells like teen spirit was not the best song of the nineties and that the only reason people care about nirvana is becuase kurt is dead.
before this rant hits page two, i will end by saying that music is music. forget the instrumentation if it doesn't make you move and feel in places you haven't felt before. does nickelback really move you? maybe, but i bet you led zeppelin, rem or u2 did it better. before you want to knock electronic music, remember that it is still very young and there are still places to go, the electric guitar is almost sixty years old and the battle on the charts these days is to see who can play it worse.

i end with this.... food for thought..... avril lavigne doesn't even who all four beatles are or able to name a song.

that's punk rock for you

[~Paradoxxx]

Originally posted by Vladimir Valette
i end with this.... food for thought..... avril lavigne doesn't even who all four beatles are or able to name a song.


But she knows how to play a guitar! Ah!!!! Who needs to knwo the name of the Beatles when you can play the mighty guitar! Anyway, I am sure she knows the name of the Telletubbies and from all Bob the Builder characters by heart.

This reminds of me something else... her video. I can't see her video without feeling like grabbing her, putting her (and her buddies) "horizontally" on my lap and slap their butts. Their behaviour in that video is totally unaceptable. Is that what is "cool" to do ? Running in the mall and just be an idiot bothering the people (police authority included) in there ? Howcome such a thing passes on MTV, the channel we all know is the beacon of all things good and Godly (the same channel that didn't pass Depeche Mode's video "In Your Room" because there was a woman with her arms tied to a chair... oh dear dear what a sinful video that was).

I believe I am drifting away from the original thread....

[~andrew [iris]]

psst, avril lavigne's hit songs are written and produced by a collective called "the matrix" in los angeles

that's corporate rock for you

love
andrew

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by andrew [iris]
psst, avril lavigne's hit songs are written and produced by a collective called "the matrix" in los angeles

that's corporate rock for you

love
andrew

psst, isn't atleast half the music that charts written that way and has been for years?

dave

Originally posted by Vladimir Valette
does nickelback really move you? maybe, but i bet you led zeppelin, rem or u2 did it better. before you want to knock electronic music, remember that it is still very young and there are still places to go, the electric guitar is almost sixty years old

let's put that statement in perspective, shall we?

music history can be traced to the beginning of recorded history..

just for kicks let's just say that's ONLY 2500 years...

The Theremin was invented in 1920 (82 years ago)
Jazz, Blues, Rock, etc. can MAYBE track its roots back about 100 years.
Electronic Music has been part of the POP Scene for about 25ish years.

So...

1% of an imaginary Music History..... why "IMAGINARY"? Well, our pop music is a part of our "Folk History"... that's a historical constant..

We're products of our time, we can't prevent that... constantly arguing over the validity of opinions burns a lot of mental gas... personally I don't see a lot gained by that sort of discussion...

Artists choose their platform... Listeners choose what they listen to...

Am I pointing out the painfully obvious? Is this horse ¤¤¤¤ing dead yet?

Dave

[~Tal`liyne]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
It's the Goth group that associates itself with synthpop that holds the genre back. These kids are a bunch of suburban freaks that latch on to the genre, thereby making the rest of the masses think we're all into that freaky stuff. Listen, let's take back synthpop from these nutjobs, quit calling is synthpop, pump a little more song structure, drop the drum loops back a notch, and move it "back" to where it should be....think Siouxsee and the Banshees, Smiths, and other actual bands that we know we all prefer to manufactured DM knockoffs. Half the artists can't even read freakin' music!!!!

MCINTYREP2000,

I am a Goth, and as you are certainly entitled to your opinion, that
doesn't mean that you should stereotype everyone into derogative titles like "suburban freaks that latch on to the genre".
I certainly don't mind someone stating that they are not into Goth or any other type of genre! I happen to like synthpop, industrial, darkwave, goth, etc., etc! For your knowledge Siouxsee and other artists started way before DM ever came about, and many synthpop artists were formed out of admiration from gothic/progressive bands! DM in fact is one of the fore-fathers of modern day synthpop and if you followed them through-out the decades, they did at one time take on a goth-glam style! All in all, people from all walks of life are different and some even weird, but that doesn't call for slander! I've met many people from all walks of like and some of the nicest ones have been goths! As DM says "People are people! So why should it be, that you and I should get along so awefully!" ..."Help me understand, what makes a man hate another man, help me understand!" Something to hopefully free your mind!

BE AT PEACE! Nam`arie
_____________________

~Tal`liyne~

[~Eyuva]

Originally posted by pop

Let's make our beats so corney and cheezy that even George Bush can dance to it. Great idea. What are you smoking again?
."

LMAO, sig quote coming up :)

Originally posted by andrew [iris]
psst, avril lavigne's hit songs are written and produced by a collective called "the matrix" in los angeles

that's corporate rock for you

love
andrew

I'd be more than willing to bet that half of the rock bands today are assembled by corporations and told to write songs for the radio, while the other half are people who play what the radios want to hear so they get signed recorddeals anyways.

Take Matchbox20, I've often wondered if they are real, or just a bunch of people record execs put together and told them to write hit songs.

[~David Vesel]

I'm not a goth. In high school and college, I wanted to be a goth, but I didn't have the nerve. I was too busy trying to fit in. So I just kept my head down and quietly made eight crappy sounding demo albums in the space of four years. I did what made me happy.

Now I'm older, and I can afford all the black clothes and leather that I want, but now I don't want. For a long time, I didn't know what made me happy. I even gave up on music. After another two crappy sounding demos, I gave it up for five years while I got seriously depressed and had to go on medication because I was trying to please everyone else but myself.

But music, albeit other people's music, kept me going. I wore out two CD players listening to I Say I Say I Say. It was such an inspiration and epiphany. Three years ago, I broke out my credit cards and got back into making music. I've since made two albums that I actually think don't sound crappy. Out of all those albums, I can count four songs that have guitar on them. Out of dozens of songs. And of all the CDs of other artists I own, nearly none of them have guitars on them.

They're just boring. So, Mr. MacMinty2000 or whoever you are, instead of poking the synth geeks like a brutish high school jock, go take a flying frell at a rolling donut. Naive as I am about music, I'm cynical about idiots like you.

[~cliffwalk]

Such jaded words from someone listening to Elmo ;)

Well said, David... I think he's probably gone and crawled back into the sewer hole he came from.

dave

[~Daft Monk]

Since it came up, let me take a moment to rip on Avril Lavigne. First off, she's managed to be on the cover of at least half a dozen magazine covers and she has the same expression (face scrunched up, looking so angry, so "punk") on each and every one. Second off, her music is crap. Third off, her lyrics are even worse (um, "take off all your prep-py clothes"). She, or her writing team, can't spell ("sk8tr boy"). I'm not sure where I read this, might have been the "women in rock" issue of Rolling Stone, but she didn't listen to music until four years ago and she has never bought a CD. And somehow she has sold more records than just about anyone else in the US this year.

[~cliffwalk]

I wont rip on her.

She's laughing all the way to the bank.

We -- (not us but the "collective we") -- support this.

Commerce. Supports. This.

We -- (once again the "collective we") -- pay her corporate machine to tell us what to think.

I guess what I roll my eyes at here is that anyone is suprised or offended... art and capitalism only very rarely come together with any sort of common goal.

dave

[~Gandalfe]

On "I Am Gothic" - The song is friggin' hilarious. If you actually pay attention to the lyrics, you'll realise that it is not really meant to be taken seriously - "I'm a misfit, for I study the occult." If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but Spray is a seriously intelligent band who is not afraid of the POP in synthPOP. BTW, their other project is a band called Cuban Boys, who did one of the most infectious memes in the history of the internet, that is, the Hamster Dance.

On Avril - I just barely heard of her. She sounds like a complete bimbo. A Britney Spears for the hard core 12 year old.

On guitars - I don't think guitars are necessary for every song, personally. But I have to quote Frank Zappa - "On a saxophone, you can get sleezy, on a bass guitar, you can get raunchy, but it's only on an electric guitar that you can get out and out obscene." I love the crunchy guitars the The Nine uses, and there's absolutely no way you can do the blues on a keyboard - although I'd be interested to hear someone try. Different strokes for Gary Coleman, I suppose.

On Goth/Rivethead/Synthpop - Who cares? I mean, I don't want the scene to explode, but neither do I want to implode. I don't care to be able to say to people, "I was listening to Cosmicity back when, before he sold out Madison Square Garden." Doesn't matter to me. I just like the music that I like, and while a little bit more acceptance would be nice, especially so that I could find the stuff in the stores, I can deal with it the way it is.

[Avil]

Originally posted by Daft Monk
Since it came up, let me take a moment to rip on Avril Lavigne. First off, she's managed to be on the cover of at least half a dozen magazine covers and she has the same expression (face scrunched up, looking so angry, so "punk") on each and every one. Second off, her music is crap. Third off, her lyrics are even worse (um, "take off all your prep-py clothes"). She, or her writing team, can't spell ("sk8tr boy"). I'm not sure where I read this, might have been the "women in rock" issue of Rolling Stone, but she didn't listen to music until four years ago and she has never bought a CD. And somehow she has sold more records than just about anyone else in the US this year.

Avril.
The only reason to why I even thought of her was the fact that if you remove the "r" in her name u get something cool. A little side note...hehe

[~David Vesel]

Originally posted by cliffwalk
[b]Such jaded words from someone listening to Elmo ;)

True. :)

Having a toddler is so wonderful. It's nice to get a sense of fun and wonder back in life. And yep, I really was listening to "Elmo's Song" when I posted that above. Eric was watching the Best of Elmo video. I have those words burned into my brain now.

This is the song, la la la la
Elmo's song
La la la la, la la la la
Elmo's song
La la la, la la la laaaaaaa
La la la, la la la laaaaaaa
I love to sing, la la la la
Elmo's song
La la la la, la la la la
Elmo's song
He wrote the music
He wrote the words
That's Elmo's song!

:)

[~Paradoxxx]

Originally posted by andrew [iris]
psst, avril lavigne's hit songs are written and produced by a collective called "the matrix" in los angeles

that's corporate rock for you


I am Avril of "The Matrix". Resistance is futile. You will be a(r)similated into our collective. You will deploy all your brains and escort us to sector "001" of the charts.

[~Gandalfe]

avril lavigne's hit songs are written and produced by a collective called "the matrix" in los angeles


Oh, yeah, I meant to talk about this. Some of the greatest songs out there were written by people who never sang them, or by "collectives" as you call them. Think of Elvis Presley, or Leiber & Stoller, or any of the girl groups of the 60's.

[~Eyuva]

Originally posted by Gandalfe


Oh, yeah, I meant to talk about this. Some of the greatest songs out there were written by people who never sang them, or by "collectives" as you call them. Think of Elvis Presley, or Leiber & Stoller, or any of the girl groups of the 60's.

well, in lots of bands the singer doesn't always write the song, sometimes the guitarist, drummer, or synth programmer :p

However most girl groups, teenyboppers dont even play the music... Elvis did play the guitar, even if he didn't write songs. The Spice Girls however didn't play or write jack.

Originally posted by Daft Monk
Since it came up, let me take a moment to rip on Avril Lavigne. First off, she's managed to be on the cover of at least half a dozen magazine covers and she has the same expression (face scrunched up, looking so angry, so "punk") on each and every one. Second off, her music is crap. Third off, her lyrics are even worse (um, "take off all your prep-py clothes"). She, or her writing team, can't spell ("sk8tr boy"). I'm not sure where I read this, might have been the "women in rock" issue of Rolling Stone, but she didn't listen to music until four years ago and she has never bought a CD. And somehow she has sold more records than just about anyone else in the US this year.

personally, I prefer nice attractive female singers like Noemi, not this pompus, arrogant, elitist wanker look that drives record sales. Ooh, look at me, I'm angry, I have something to say... Bullschit, I dont want to hear your ¤¤¤¤¤in, so shut up & go on home to mommy.

[~cliffwalk]

Originally posted by Eyuva
[b]
However most girl groups, teenyboppers dont even play the music... Elvis did play the guitar, even if he didn't write songs. The Spice Girls however didn't play or write jack.
[b]

Apples to lugnuts. The Spice Girls could have been any three (or was it four) attractive women. Look at "The Monkeys" or "The Partridge Family", etc... sometimes "characters" are created...

Hell, GWAR... they decided to do the same thing themselves... They conceptualized the whole idea of that band while hanging out in New Haven going Yale...

Sometimes the media is the art. Like it or don't (I don't) -- it is what it is.

Dave

[NoirTech]

Originally posted by mcintyrep2000
Isn't this board supposed to be PRO-synthpop? I try to support the up and comers as much as possible, but...and this is my opinion and I'm sure there will be those who disagree...that song SUCKS!!!!

















I like ponies.

[~Kirlian Blue]

Im a UK Rivethead were known as UberGoths! The thing is the image and the whole crowd into synthpop in London Love Goth and Industrial as well . There are no seperate clubs for each niche you get a mixture or seperate floors in the clubs. Sadly in the UKwe haveonly one Synthpop Club and that is Electric Dreams Clubs@Gossips. And there they play some industrial goth ebm and punk as well. I am Gothic is an ok track just glad i can come to this website and here descent synth pop and darkwave !

[~SFARAH]

Originally posted by Daft Monk
Since it came up, let me take a moment to rip on Avril Lavigne. First off, she's managed to be on the cover of at least half a dozen magazine covers and she has the same expression (face scrunched up, looking so angry, so "punk") on each and every one. Second off, her music is crap. Third off, her lyrics are even worse (um, "take off all your prep-py clothes"). She, or her writing team, can't spell ("sk8tr boy"). I'm not sure where I read this, might have been the "women in rock" issue of Rolling Stone, but she didn't listen to music until four years ago and she has never bought a CD. And somehow she has sold more records than just about anyone else in the US this year.

This is the same reason why we have so much dumb -culture in this country. Same reason why Jackass is the #1 movie, same reason why pop culture right now in its majority is so blank. If there's so much comercial crap is because is selling, and it sells because theres no collective "critical thinking" nor awareness. Dont want to write an essay on popular culture, but it gets on my nerves when some people show their lack of originality (whoever started this thread). Take synthpop : a postmodern musical style, not mainstream, not commercial, not accesible nor accepted to the mass media, supported by alternative communities and groups. These give synthpop a countercultural value. Now, I beg you if you're going to pick on something (goths, synths, republicans)make sure you know how. Invest your energy on awarness to deconstruct the corporative media, go see Bowling for Columbine, take a trip to South America, Africa or Asia, share with the locals, question your politicians, read newspapers, think a little and get some insight. Then come back and pick on everyone if you like.

[~Tal`liyne]

Originally posted by Kirlian Blue
Im a UK Rivethead were known as UberGoths! The thing is the image and the whole crowd into synthpop in London Love Goth and Industrial as well . There are no seperate clubs for each niche you get a mixture or seperate floors in the clubs. Sadly in the UKwe haveonly one Synthpop Club and that is Electric Dreams Clubs@Gossips. And there they play some industrial goth ebm and punk as well. I am Gothic is an ok track just glad i can come to this website and here descent synth pop and darkwave !

That's why I find it difficult to understand the separation! I reside part-time in London (when I' m not traveling...and I'm always off to somewhere) and all the crowds merge to enjoy their scene! I've been to many a club in the States and it seems that synthpop/darkwave/goth/industrial/etc are usually played as part of the same night at a club. The people seem to get on well and the dance to the songs they like! Same thing with other parts of the world! So again, I find it hard when this bloke says " lets take synthpop back from those nut jobs", etc. I am like..???????????

Anyway, I believe his true intention was to get a rise out of us! It worked if that was the objective! Things had to be said anyway! Nam`arie!

BE AT PEACE!
___________

Tal`liyne

[~Kirlian Blue]

Tal`liyne

I agree with what you say..the scenes all merge due to artists being crossover oplus i dont know if its the same case across the world but we all get the same stick from Trendy Culture..We all love Origianl Sounding Synths on alll scenes and we all love Non-Bland Music ) I get called a Goth because the Main Stream has no Idea of Our Music..I dont have no problem with that. Supposidly im into Marilyn Manson well not but i posesss Mechanichal Animals because i liked that Album. If im, coreect Synthpop came from New Wave which later got termed as Goth in 1980 ! Which is quite a point even the punks in those days were in the same clubs as the emergeing New-Romantics!.........

kb

[Synthpopalooza]

The song doesn't really bother me ... in fact, in a way, I find it kinda funny (altho maybe a few true goths might find it offensive, but hey, we can all take a joke right?)

It's just one of those songs, that when you listen, you can't help but crack a little bit of a smile at it ... I admit this is the only spray song I have listened to, except for "Child of the 80's", which pokes fun at all these 80's nostaliga people (which I suppose I am, in a way) :)

So yeah, I can appreciate the subtle humour in this song ... and remember, they're just poking fun, don't let em offend you too much.

[~Tal`liyne]

Originally posted by Kirlian Blue
Tal`liyne

I agree with what you say..the scenes all merge due to artists being crossover oplus i dont know if its the same case across the world but we all get the same stick from Trendy Culture..We all love Origianl Sounding Synths on alll scenes and we all love Non-Bland Music ) I get called a Goth because the Main Stream has no Idea of Our Music..I dont have no problem with that. Supposidly im into Marilyn Manson well not but i posesss Mechanichal Animals because i liked that Album. If im, coreect Synthpop came from New Wave which later got termed as Goth in 1980 ! Which is quite a point even the punks in those days were in the same clubs as the emergeing New-Romantics!.........

kb

All I can say mate, is that I like it all! Life would be absurd if everything sounded or was the same! I am proud to be different ( if that's what they label me), and I've no regrets at all! Long live the -subculture- if you may! Goths/uber-goths/cyber & neo- goths/rivetheads/synthetics/etc. unite and stand tall! Nam`arie!

BE AT PEACE!
_____________

Tal`liyne