IQ Test

[cheetah]

Alright, so I took this free IQ test on Emode.com the other day. The good part for me was that I'm not as stupid as I had originally anticipated. Others may disagree of course. Consequently, it got me thinking (a rare occurrence in my case) as to what the true measure of an individual's level of intellect might be. Any thoughts on this???

[Gandalfe]

Unfortunately, while we can measure SOME types of intelligence, there are no tests to measure, say, imagination, or physical intelligence (what in a basketball player would be called court sense), or many other kinds. Furthermore, most IQ test seem to test more for crystallized intelligence, that is, what you know, rather than potential intelligence, or what CAN you know.

Oh, yeah, and there are a couple of sites out there that seem to give everyone the exact same score.

[cheetah]

The test we (my family and I) took gave each one of us a different score. I tend to think the test was accurate but I'm questioning whether or not you can gauge intelligence with the results. The real question should have been; are you more "book-smart" or "people-smart"??? I consider myself "people-smart". What does everyone else consider themselves???

[Munson]

I consider myself to be pretty much a dumba*s...

I'm pretty good at reading people and seeing through their bullsh*t facade. I'm somewhat book smart, but damn, I can be such a moron sometimes... last time I took an IQ test was in high school... I forget the score, but I do remember that I supposedly had above average intelligence. The messed up thing is that if I took that same test now my score would probably be a lot lower. I don't think that I've actually gotten dumber, but it's been so long since I've taken classes or tests and my mind operates differently now.

[cliffwalk]

IQ Tests: I've taken maybe 5 in my life. Each one has yielded approximately the same score which is 160ish (supposedly genius). So, it's safe to say that by IQ Testing standards I'm around a 160.

Well.

It doesn't at all fit my profile. I'm incapable of focusing on anything long enough to REALLY tell but I'm exceptionally average on all levels and in all domains of knowledge. (with maybe a very minor spike around technical things such as music theory, computer programming, etc)

So like I'm a genius, and you're not... and it just doesn't matter...

Had I NOT taken those IQ tests in early school days I probably would have been in special Ed dealing with my attention span problems. That's frankly where I belonged... somehow I BS'd my way through school but I never learned what I really needed to learn.

So .... IQ tests... When I have kids I don't want them taking them... they really have no use unless you're psychologically profiling a person (mentally/neurologically ill, pathological criminal, what not).

dave

[cheetah]

I'm with you Munson, most of the time I feel like a dumba*s!!! :D

[cheetah]

As for you Cliffwalk, I happen to think you're a very intellectual person regardless of what you say. You always have something insightful to say in your posts. Of course, I may not be the best at judging who's smart and who's not. I'm not exactly Albert Einstein as you can probably tell. :loco:

[intro]

I won't toss around my IQ score, but teachers in my high school insisted upon testing me. And according to their little test, I'm a genius. But I don't really buy it. Sure, I may have a very high IQ, but it's being used on music and video games. Sometimes school. And I, like Cliffwalk, have a very difficult time concentrating on things. My mind is always racing way too fast to focus on any one thing. I don't know if it's ADD (hey Todd!) and I need to be on ritalin (DJ Ritalin to my friends, because I always change songs before they're finished), or if it's just that I think too damn much. Who knows.

But IQ tests are kinda vague in my opinion. I don't really know what they measure. They claim to measure potential intelligence, but they do that by asking you questions about things you know. Like those number patterns. Those things always annoy the crap out of me.

Just don't put too much stock in it. Do what you can. You know if you're smart or not. And just because you're smart in one area doesn't mean you're smart in another. I'm very booksmart, but I'm absolutely terrible when it comes to dealing with people. It sucks. Someone needs to start a synthgeek dating service, hehe. I'd sign up!

-Mark should be asleep right now
www.djintrovert.com

[cheetah]

I don't know Mark, maybe having your attention focused on a bunch of different things at one time is not that bad. Don't women call that multi-tasking??? :) I wonder if the people in the world who have found a balance between being "booksmart" and "peoplesmart" are any happier than the rest of us???

[Bornslippy]

I took the test but it booted me out therefore I'm gonna have to take it again.

[cheetah]

You'll have to study harder for it the next time Bornslippy.;)

[(V)ythrandir]

Well in my exp. i find that most IQ test don't really tell you how smart you are they really just test your common sense and how well you pick up on tricky worded things like "how many months have 28 days" most would say 1, feburary when if you think about it they all have 28 days. I'd have to go with the rest of you and say don't put any faith in what a IQ test tells you. There pointless wastes of time made by shrinks that get injoyment out of brainwashing the masses. And as for not being able to focus on one thing for long that's normal for most people. Only simple minded people can focus on one thing and onething only cause there not capible of doing any more then one thing at a time. And that's all i got's to say about that...

[cliffwalk]

Some important points on this thread...

Remember.... any of us that are in our late twenties/early thirties:

We went to grade school during a period of time where it was "the thing to do" to break us kids up based on standardized tests.

Because of the results of an IQ test I was placed in a gifted program where I really didn't quite "THRIVE" in my opinion. Frankly, as I said, I think I had learning problems that went unaddressed so I had to figure them out later in life.

I'm glad my children wont be raised in an educational system that use such methods. That was NOT a wise period of time in our educational system. You should NEVER create a learning environment where children are basically told that they are significantly smarter than the other kids and destined for greatness.

I think back on the group of kids I was in that first gifted program with. Let's see how things turned out for them in High School (and a few I know college)

(a) None of them were even in the top 10 of their graduating class.
(b) 4 never finished high school
(c) 1 ended up in jail for armed robbery
(d) None attended extremely impressive colleges. I think the best school to my knowledge was Ohio State (I grew up in Ohio).

But, hey, what we all had in common was a little bit of displaced attitude about how great we were. A couple of us found comfort in that because we were geeks later in life. Others simply had the rest of the class catch up with them.

Bottom line... THAT is one thing about the 80s that we can keep in that decade. That WHOLE Gattacaesce approach to education is FUBAR.

That and RATT.

And Winger.

Dave

[cheetah]

*LOL* Ah Dave, that's some funny sh*t!!! I remember my Jr. High School had the ELP (Extended Learning Program) group for the gifted students. The rest of us always thought they were weird. You're right, separating kids from their peers is not a healthy thing to do from what I've seen.

[mythuselah]

Mensa group have a basic online test. I took it and I have to agree without really being basphimous about my score.

Iq test I guess are another social thing, and not being one to be social- ehh!

Really, I can't remeber who said it but mesuring potiential intelligence is kinda silly. I mean I can't spell, can't use punctuation properly. Have no concept of grammer or math on an algerbraic level.

So what is left.

I mean I suffered social from those peers groups. It kinda hindered my social warmth and even though I can compose an essay, define the whether using no linear equations , grasp conceptual curves for econmoic growth and know the infulence of the birth and death rate on family values. I find myself almost snobbish. And almost rebellious at focusing all this hard work at my intelligence to more creative arts.

I am really a people person from a served distance. I enjoy precieving the stupid things that people do in the normal of situations. YUP! that confirms it I am a snob.

I have no concentration, I babble about nothing and this thread proves it I lost my train of thought as you can tell after the first line :) If I was rich I would be eccentric

Intelligence to me is the ability not to put your hand in the fire, not to eat and go swimming right after and know that respect is a given in any freindship.Then general application of lifes needs.

I have to agree with everyone here who said it in there own right intelligence can't truley be measured because everyone has strengths that enhance their overall education.

[cheetah]

I would not consider you a snob Mythuselah. I too enjoy the observation of the intricacies of human behavior. For me, people-watching is almost as good interacting with others. It's interesting to hear everyone's perception of what intelligence is.

[(V)ythrandir]

In reply to cliffwalk. I'd have to say that no one really has learning problems, it's just that everyone learns a diffrent way. Whether it be by watching someone do something, being told how to do it, or just doing it until you learn the concept on your own. So your problems so to speak aren't anything that's your fault it's just a lack of teaching effert on your teacher's part. Alot of teachers don't take the time to get to know there students and don't care to they just read out of a book and expect you to know what there talking about. But if that's not the way you comprehed things then your classified as having learning problems or disabilitys. I myself catch on to things really quickly by being shown how to do it.

[Avil]

Haha, I don´t believe in those tests...
I´m a genious according to those..yeah right

[cheetah]

I knew you were a genius Avil. What else would you be??? ;)

[skylla]

Originally posted by (V)ythrandir
I'd have to say that no one really has learning problems, it's just that everyone learns a diffrent way.


i don't really think many people questions that there is a basic difference between different modes of learning. and i don't think most teachers (at least not in my experience) thinks of students having problems learning by reading as being dumb or so. the problem is however, that school mostly is for learning skills that hardly can be taught by showing, and thus the students who learn better by watching actually becomes kind of "disabled" (hate that word) within the confines of the "school world".

the interesting thing i think is that the iq-tests i've seen are very much focused on being able to find patterns in information... fx. colour patterns, patterns in numbers, associations of words and so forth... what i find interesting is, that to me much of this seems to favour learning by watching more than learning by reading... and to take it a step further... a subject like math is much closer to learning by watching than other typical school subjects (it's all about making an inner projection of the problem to be solved). If my hypothesis holds, then people who do good in iq-test will generally be naturals at math, but will probably not do too well in school because most other subjects typically must be learned much more by reading... and thus theese students will typically get tagged as having short attention spans (because they need to watch to get interested),

ehh... i think i kinda lost myself there, and i'm not sure it makes much sence even to me... anyway: intelligence is just a word, and is nothing other than what we define it to be. if the iq-test defines intelligence then intelligence is probably some mathematical/systematic ability to see order in complex patterns... if we define intelligence as getting good grades then intelligence is probably something about being a hardworking book-person with some political skills (gotta know what to say to the teacher and not)... and if we define intelligence as being able to get by in life then intelligence could be just about anything... so basicly i don't think iq-test does more than compare a person against a subjective perception of intelligence, and thus they have no practical purpose whatsoever...

damn i did it again... lost myself... now im not sure any of this makes sence, so i'll just post it...

[cheetah]

Those were some excellent points Skylla. You're right about the math vs. reading aspect of learning. I'm even willing to bet that many people that have higher numerical skills, in turn have a greater degree of difficulty in socialization. Right off hand, I can think of quite a few people that I know who have problems getting along with others, yet they excel in mathematics. Granted, I'm no expert in this field and my theory is probably total SH*T, but I really have seen a pattern. Maybe that's why I get along so well with others, cuz I SUCK AT MATH. :D

[(V)ythrandir]

LOL maybe that's why i have no friends cheetah. I slept through math and still got an A but when it comes to making friends and keeping them it just seems to be something i can't do very well.

[cheetah]

No need to feel so down on yourself my friend. This forum is a great place to meet nice people who share common interests. Maybe you could somehow transfer a little of your expertise in math into my empty head. :D

[Never Worship]

Originally posted by (V)ythrandir
LOL maybe that's why i have no friends cheetah. I slept through math and still got an A but when it comes to making friends and keeping them it just seems to be something i can't do very well.

Interesting theory, though in your case, (V)ythrandir, I'm sure treating people poorly and using them may contribute to to your tendency to drive people away. Not to point fingers, or anything, just my opinion.

On the notion of IQ tests, the ones found online are usually not accurate, though due to the fact that these tests do tend to favor specific leraning types, all can be rendered rather useless, but I find them interesting all the same.

[cheetah]

Seems as though very few people on EGN have much faith in IQ tests. I wonder if there are some that have any credibility.

[(V)ythrandir]

If you think i treated you poorly and used you then fine you can think that. Just realize i would have done anything for you. I guess your post just goes to show us all what kind of person you are. One that takes every chance to put someone down and make them feel like dirt. When all they ever did to was care for you.

[cheetah]

Can this relationship be salvaged in any way???

[skylla]

gees... is it just me or did it suddently get kind of chilly in here. couldn't you guys just terrorize eachothers phonelines like normal people do???

~sniffle~ let's all just get along

[Never Worship]

Anything, eh? Then why did you spend two years doing nothing? Odd.

By the way, you really didn't need to make this a public issue, you could just call, though I'd rather not hear from you. I'd also appreciate it if you'd avoid trying to sabotage my life. Consider this matter closed.

[cliffwalk]

wow...

yuck... i'm sorry to both of you for whatever bad blood exists but i agree you should take it to email or phone or something... not a healthy public conversation...

god is love! ;)

dave

[cheetah]

I don't care where you take out your frustrations guys, just as long as it makes you feel better. It's all good!!! :) And remember, Dr. Cheetah's office is always open for business. Just take two shots of taquilla and call me in the morning. ;)

[(V)ythrandir]

......sigh.....why do i always have to fall for the nutty one's.

*turns on a heater for skylla, starts composing an e-mail for cliffwalk, and knocks back a few shot's for cheetah.*

call ya later cheetah -_O

[cheetah]

Sounds like you might need the whole bottle before you'll feel better (v)ythrandir. That's my professional opinion. ;)

[Never Worship]

Originally posted by (V)ythrandir
......sigh.....why do i always have to fall for the nutty one's.

Hey, you're the one who actually thought that I'd go crawling back to you. As for what you have to say about people not seeing themselves for what they really are, from what I've noticed you're the only person I know who suffers from this disability. I'm perfectly fine with admitting that I'm a b*tch and that I did screw up my life. I know that I am far from perfect. You could be a man about all this and at least admit that you treated me poorly instead of calling me crazy and blaming me for the mistakes that you made.

Enjoy your shots.

[7red7]

*sits back with some popcorn*

Ladies and gentlemen IT'S FIGHT NIGHT!!!


I'm sorry guys, I really am, but it's kinda amusing to see in a public forum...But hey to each their own...On a side note, Cheetah, ya got a shot for me too man, it's been a long week ;)

[(V)ythrandir]

Now i thought you didn't want to make this a public matter but since you keep on coming back for more then here we go. I know i ¤¤¤¤ed up and i've told you this, or do you just have selective hearing. Not once have i ever blamed you for what happend but when you tell me i didn't care for you it kinda pisses me off. I never expected you to come crawling back to me i just felt i had to try out of love for you to show you i do care. So don't come off like im blaming you for anything i ¤¤¤¤ed up and so did you. Im just trying to tell you i do care about you. And i couldn't live with myself if i didn't try to get the one thing in my life that made me happy back.

[cheetah]

Wow!!! Does he get a second chance Never Worship??? Sounds like there might still be a glimmer of hope left.

[skylla]

you guys...

have you ever seen the tv-series "dempsey & makepiece... or that tv-series with bruce willis & cybil shepperd, "moonlighting"... or the movie "something to talk about" with julia roberts & dennis quaid"...

well, they allways seem to hate eachother and goes to great lenght to put eachother down... but we all know that deep down inside they love eachother!!!

come on! now that you've gone public; be honest... isn't there some sparkle somewhere...

please... (pretty please)...

it's like watching the young & the restless without ever knowing if there's gonna be another episode.

[test]

I took this test. I actually took several tests. :laugh: The personality test was correct. It said I was a critic. Yep, that's true. I also took the Introvert/Extrovert test. That was accurate too. :D :laugh: It said I was an Introvert. Yep, that's true!

The I.Q. test was hard!!! I had a hard time with some of the math questions. Math was never my strong suit. Those were the questions that I was most nervous on. I am a Word Warrior. That's true. I would love to see the answers to some of the math questions. The logic ones threw me off. They always did. Ugh!!!

I am going to go back and take some more. I want to see if I am a perfectionist. ;) :laugh:

[cheetah]

That's a very astute observation Lynge. It is a bit like a love/hate tv sitcom relationship. In a way, I think it may be therapeutic sometimes for people discuss their problems in an open setting. Kind of a last resort to find a favorable solution to a distressful event. You're right though, there has to be some spark left somewhere. In spite of what they say about each other, there must be some desirable qualities that each one finds appealing about the other. You guys ( Never Worship and (v)ythandir) could maybe try being friends again for a start.

[cheetah]

Originally posted by StphLadd
I took this test. I actually took several tests. :laugh: The personality test was correct. It said I was a critic. Yep, that's true. I also took the Introvert/Extrovert test. That was accurate too. :D :laugh: It said I was an Introvert. Yep, that's true!

The I.Q. test was hard!!! I had a hard time with some of the math questions. Math was never my strong suit. Those were the questions that I was most nervous on. I am a Word Warrior. That's true. I would love to see the answers to some of the math questions. The logic ones threw me off. They always did. Ugh!!!

I am going to go back and take some more. I want to see if I am a perfectionist. ;) :laugh: Yeah Steph, those logic problems really messed with my head too. I was also a Word Warrior. The only one in my family in fact. Unlike you though, I never want to see that test again. You're such a perfectionist!!! ;) I really admire that about you. Wish I was more like that.

[test]

I just want to know the answers. Those problems made my head spin. I kept thinking that I had to hurry because the test would kick me out if I didn't finish fast enough. I don't know why they call those problems logic. They are anything but logical to me. :laugh:

[Never Worship]

Just for reference, I did try to be friends, but I guess that wasn't enough for (V)ythrandir. And, no, this relationship isn't going to be salvaged anytime soon, I've moved on.

D*mn those logic questions.

= /

[test]

If fuzzies are binkies, then some fuzzies are dippies. True or false? Those kind of problems confuse me! Ack!!!!!!!

[skylla]

i always try to look to my mentor calvin on such questions... weather fuzzies are binkies or dippies or both is all a matter of belief... being an atheist, answering this question is in conflict with my religious principles, so i refuse to answer...

[test]

There was 1 question that had NO answer to. It was the question about the boy and his sister. I think she was 3 times as old as he was, or was it 4? Anyways, it asked how one of them would be and I didn't see the answer. Stupid problems!! Grrrrr!!!

[cheetah]

If that's the one I'm remembering, I think I put down that she was 20 or something. I think.....??? Don't know if it was right or not. I'm not Mr. Spock, so logic does not come naturally to me. Very few things do. ;)

[(V)ythrandir]

yeah it was 20 see if the boy is 4 and his sister is 3 times as old as him that makes her 12. so that's an 8 year diffrence in age. so when the boy is 12 you add 8 years to that and wa la you get 20!

[cliffwalk]

I swear that people are intimidated by numbers.... they don't realize how much more complicated a task like learning to read and comprehend is....

Some people's brains work different than others but I've never understood why some very smart people struggle so much with basic math.

I had a roomate who had a very strong mind. I could get him to understand simple division when he was struggling through the basic math class in college. I JUST DON'T GET HOW THAT'S HARD FOR SOME PEOPLE!!! THE BRAIN IS SUCH A MYSTERY THAT WAY!

All I've been able to accept is that people with problems with basic math but no other learning issues simply percieve numbers entirely differently than those who can do... but what's the difference? what do they see when they see the numbers? is it psychological or is it truly a learning problem?

dave

[noseeum]

Originally posted by Gandalfe
Unfortunately, while we can measure SOME types of intelligence, there are no tests to measure, say, imagination, or physical intelligence (what in a basketball player would be called court sense), or many other kinds. Furthermore, most IQ test seem to test more for crystallized intelligence, that is, what you know, rather than potential intelligence, or what CAN you know.

Oh, yeah, and there are a couple of sites out there that seem to give everyone the exact same score.

A new test exists which doesn't only measure the points you've mentioned. It test abilities like

your memory
your creativity
your speed of learning
your three-dimensional thinking
your logical skill
association skill
linguistic skill
emotional intelligence
and many more


As you can see intelligence is the sum of all your skills. I always like to take examples.

Example:
A man who studied medicine and took his doctor's degree isn't able to solve his matrimonial problems with his wife. He is intelligence and he has a doctor's degree So he should be capable of doing it but he he isn't. Maybe his memory, association and logical skill are outstanding but on the other hand he lacks emotional intelligence and he will probably fail in diplomatic situations too.

Another example ( taken from the book "Emotional Intelligence" by Daniel Goleman ):
A high-school student only received 80 points in his physician examen. He thought the "B" would hinder him in taking his desired job. So wanted to discuss his mark with his teacher but he became furious and the student plunged a knife into to the chest of the teacher. Other students were able to disable him so that he just injured his teacher. According to four psychiatrist this student was psychotic in this particular moment. Therefore he wasn' to blame for his deed. Furthermore he admitted that he had considered committing suicide.
He changed to a private school and a few years later he graduated with excellent marks.

Like in example No.1 the guy is intelligent but why has he done something stupid like this ?
It's a lack of emotional intelligence again.


Originally posted by cheetah
Those were some excellent points Skylla. You're right about the math vs. reading aspect of learning. I'm even willing to bet that many people that have higher numerical skills, in turn have a greater degree of difficulty in socialization. Right off hand, I can think of quite a few people that I know who have problems getting along with others, yet they excel in mathematics. Granted, I'm no expert in this field and my theory is probably total SH*T, but I really have seen a pattern. Maybe that's why I get along so well with others, cuz I SUCK AT MATH.


Math requires rather logical intelligence than emotional intelligence. That would explain that math most geniuses can't get along with other people because human-beings aren't logical at all. On the other hand that doesn't automatically means that math geniuses lacks emotional intelligence.

After all human-beings are complex creatures with confusing behavior patterns, with a unique tool called hand and so on. Even this new kind of test isn't able to define intelligence precisely.

[cheetah]

Do they offer those extensive tests on the internet Noseeum??? I would enjoy taking one like that. That way, whenever the next person asked what the hell is wrong with me, I could finally give them an honest answer. ;)

[noseeum]

Since this isn't a simple test it would take months to analyze it. And you need some psychiatrists of course who do the evaluations. ;)

I don't really know how they measure emotional intelligence because this one doesn't only include understanding other people. Motivating yourself, not to let negative emotions take control of you... are important aspects too.

So I think that it isn't offered on the internet but I know that some universities are offering tests ranging from IQ tests to personality tests.

Sometimes friends, your relatives, people who know you... are able give you some answers about yourself. ;)

[skylla]

uuaaack...

personality test... that word makes me quiver with fear (do it again... personality test... uuuhhhh).

one thing is that regular iq-test might be inacurate and that it's controversal what kind of intelligence these tests actually measure. but still... at least i can see how the test came up with my scores.

how am i ever going to know how a bunch of psychologists came up with a statement about my personality through a personality test... and what exactly would this test measure??? psychology isn't really an exact science... in denmark it's actually forbidden by law for any institutions or companies to use personality tests to asses peoples personalities.

personality test, personality test, personality test...

wooooaaaaahhhhhh... aghhh... aghhhh... aaaaarrrgg... urk!!!

[cheetah]

Originally posted by noseeum
Since this isn't a simple test it would take months to analyze it. And you need some psychiatrists of course who do the evaluations. ;)

I don't really know how they measure emotional intelligence because this one doesn't only include understanding other people. Motivating yourself, not to let negative emotions take control of you... are important aspects too.

So I think that it isn't offered on the internet but I know that some universities are offering tests ranging from IQ tests to personality tests.

Sometimes friends, your relatives, people who know you... are able give you some answers about yourself. ;) Months??? * LOL* Wouldn't take the experts more than a couple hours to realize I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed!!! :D

[cheetah]

Originally posted by skylla
uuaaack...

personality test... that word makes me quiver with fear (do it again... personality test... uuuhhhh).

one thing is that regular iq-test might be inacurate and that it's controversal what kind of intelligence these tests actually measure. but still... at least i can see how the test came up with my scores.

how am i ever going to know how a bunch of psychologists came up with a statement about my personality through a personality test... and what exactly would this test measure??? psychology isn't really an exact science... in denmark it's actually forbidden by law for any institutions or companies to use personality tests to asses peoples personalities.

personality test, personality test, personality test...

wooooaaaaahhhhhh... aghhh... aghhhh... aaaaarrrgg... urk!!! So Skylla, I'm guessing you don't like personality tests??? ;)