What year did New Beat become Industrial/EBM??

[Joevirus]

I think I first heard it referred to as EBM in 94-95, but I'm not sure.

I loved the NEW BEAT TAKE series out of Belgium's A.B.-Sounds. I first heard Jade 4 U (Lords Of Acid/Mno/Digital Orgasm on TAKE 1. I had 1-7, but I've had 3 of them ripped off at gigs.

[marco_spn]

I've never heard the term EBM in reference to New Beat. That's a strange thing to say, because it was a bit the other way around, right? DJ's took EBM records, and played them at 33RPM back in 1988 (case in point: Flesh by A Split Second).

Here's a nice link about the history of New Beat, courtesy of Google's cache...

http://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:YM_JlNl-JGYC:www.robotnik.com/synthesis/nation.html+neon+judgement+flesh+new+beat&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8

[Joevirus]

nice to be introduced to you, haha.

Thanks for that link.

I had old "New Beat" records before Flesh came out though, so now I'm confused. Maybe not. That was back when I was starting out though, so maybe A Split Second's Flesh hadn't been released in my neighborhood, but everywhere else, I am stuck in Texas, haha.

[A04]

I'll introduce myself. I am A04. Long history with synthart (the word "pop" makes me cringe so I won't use it) I was once in a band but I am currently fronting a unit that is to date fictitious except in my mind.

I was 19 in 1990 when I was dancing to "I sit on acid" by Lords of Acid and I was told that New Beat was created by playing the super-NRG disco albums at 33 BPM. At about the same time, bands like Nitzer Ebb, DAF, FLA, Front 242, were being called Electronic Body Music. EBM was more stompy and had simpler bass lines. Let Your Body Learn!

[Provision]

i like the term Synth-pop..
Synth-art is lacking the ommph i want in a name...

but then again i dont mind the word pop..
i find nothing wrong with it..
i hope that someday synth-pop gets as big as most pop bands..

[A04]

I'm sorry. No offense. I hope that synth "pop" is big too. I thought that in the 1980s as well when I was listening to Alphaville, OMD, and DM. They weren't played on mainstream radio, but I thought they were great just the same. Even when I interviewed Anything Box before the release of "Hope", they said that the more appropriate term was synth-alternative but it was too long to actually stick. Want to get a girl? Try "dark wave" or even "EBM" but "synth pop" never worked for me...

As "pop", we hold ourselves down. We are willinglly putting ourselves in a genre where we don't belong and don't fit in. We are the alternative of alternative and there is a great deal of pride once we realize it. Pop music tends to be disposable. Synthart is not just music. It is a religion, and a faith I've based most of my life upon.

Outside of 13 year-old girls do you see anone worshipping pop music icons?

It's been too long to still be in the same place. It's time to take pride in the music. I think that "pop" has about as much oomph as a marshmallow. If you don't like SynthArt, fine. But lose the "pop".

[Paradoxxx]

Originally posted by A04
Outside of 13 year-old girls do you see anone worshipping pop music icons?

I could think up several adjectives for such persons (that do exist beyond the 13 year old girls group), but none of them would be flatering... think of all the non-13-year-old-girls standing outside the Oscars ceremony just waiting to get a glimpse of the stars arriving in the Limo. ;) Whatever makes their boat float... let them be happy...

[A04]

I guess my point there was that there is a much more shallow connection of pop culture with pop music than with synth-pop fans and the music. It gets reflected in more than just our musical tastes.

I always wanted to be another Depeche Mode. It pained me at night. Now I just want to enjoy the alternative nature of the music and be the "punks" that stood out in the early 80's. We are different, and cool, and we shouldn't try to attack the music industry for not accepting our form of pop music. We can be so far above that...