Do you think Dave might,,,

[~zenzation]

leave DM after his solo album? He might like the idea of doing
his own songs and things and decide there is no more he can do 4 DM

[~Bornslippy]

No way, I dont see it happening at all.. DM is his 2nd family..

[~Joevirus]

DM should have been put out of it's misery when Alan Wilder left! He was the genius behind their sound. Recoil is everything DM couldn't be.
But that's just my opinion.

[~zenzation]

Recoil suck! That is just my opinion! I like Exciter and Ultra better then SOFAD so I think DM are doing fine!

But I read on NME interview that when Dave O>D that Mart and Fletch never seemed to care about him and that there only fear was if Dave was gone that there would be no more Depeche Mode.


In another interview I heard Fletch say I would go as far as to say were friends. It seems Mart and Fletch are close but Dave and them are only band mates.

When Daves hits the stage and the charts solo he might like it and want to go solo for good. He has been in DM so long and might want to try things out while he still can.


Who knows though.

[test]

No. I think Dave will stay in dM.

[~schalana101]

You're awesome zenzation, but I don't think that Recoil is bad. Alan is an awesome production artist.

If Dave decides to continue his solo career, then I wish him good luck, the same goes for any of the other band members. I love DM and they will always be #1, to me, 'til the day I die, so whatever decisions they make I support them 100%.

Isn't that what fans are for?

Also I look forward to seeing them at the reunion concert...



all of them.:)

[Avil]

Na, I don´t think so.
That´s like saying Martin will leave DM after releasing another album of his own (even though it only is covers) maybe he will discover that wow, making covers is what I want to do for the rest of my life...eeh...not.

[~leorivas]

An solo album is not necessarily a reason to leave DM, remember COUNTERFEIT?

[~greylantern]

Well, Depeche Mode is still under contract to release at least 2 more records... and both David and Martin have stated in interviews that after David's solo thing is over that they will begin work on the next DM record. The guys seemed to really enjoy doing Exciter, and I think we have much to see from them yet....

[~greylantern]

Originally posted by Joevirus
DM should have been put out of it's misery when Alan Wilder left! He was the genius behind their sound. Recoil is everything DM couldn't be.
But that's just my opinion.

Recoil and Depeche Mode can't even be compared... Depeche Mode makes pop music that is based on the incredible strength of Martin's songwriting abilities and David's charisma, while Recoil makes somewhat inaccessible electronic music that is based on Alan's skill as a producer. Alan was a great addition to Depeche, but without the foundation Martin's songs to work with Alan hasn't done anything that has impressed me with Recoil. I'm sorry but I'm sick of hearing people say that DM is crap now that Alan's gone. SoFaD was overrated, and the songs on Ultra are just as strong as anything Martin has ever written... If you only listen to music for the studio work then sure I can see how you might be disappointed, but I listen to Depeche because of the brilliance of Martin's songwriting and lyrical skills and because David is one of the best damn frontmen in the history of popular music. ...and saying that Recoil is everything DM couldn't be is just ignorant, even Alan says that there is no basis for comparison between the two groups.

[~ilvisintetic]

The tracks on 'Ultra' and 'Exciter' can be strong, good, all you ever want, but the music is simple, the arrangements are made by musicians that have nothing to do with the feeling DM have shown all through their career. Recoil has good sounds, good production but the tracks aren´t solid, the albums after 'Bloodline' in my opinion are not interesting. Alan got the sound but not the tracks. :)

[~LARS]

I think that Recoil is good!! Alan could have easily produced synthpop music if he wanted too. I think it's cool that his music sounds different!! He is doing it purely for joy and not for chart status. So like greylantern said above you really can't compare the two. Also I don't think that Dave will leave DM but you never know I guess It depends on how good his solo album is. I know for a fact that he wants to be more involved in the creative process with Martin.
Lars
BNw

[7red7]

I personally think that a lot of the younger DM fans keep forgetting that Alan was one of the chief song-cowriters in terms of the music while in the studio throughout the 80's, and was responsible for solely writing some of DM's best tracks...He was and still is (fact) a better musician than anyone of the other band members...

But to get back on tangent with the topic, Dave won't stay away for long...He'll do the album, play some shows, and get back in the studio for some more DM stuff...I just hope they remember how to make a great dance album this time...

[~Joevirus]

Originally posted by greylantern


Recoil and Depeche Mode can't even be compared...

...and saying that Recoil is everything DM couldn't be is just ignorant, even Alan says that there is no basis for comparison between the two groups.

First of all, no name calling, I was stating my opinion. I wasn't even comparing them. I know the differences between the two bands, but with Recoil, Alan has his freedom to create what he couldn't with DM. That is what I meant by that statement. Depeche Mode now sounds like whoever they get to produce them, not their own sound.

I'm a producer, not a fighter. hehe

[~greylantern]

Originally posted by Joevirus


First of all, no name calling, I was stating my opinion. I wasn't even comparing them. I know the differences between the two bands, but with Recoil, Alan has his freedom to create what he couldn't with DM. That is what I meant by that statement. Depeche Mode now sounds like whoever they get to produce them, not their own sound.

I'm a producer, not a fighter. hehe

heh sorry i'm not trying to start a fight. You're right with Recoil Alan does have much more freedom and I'm sure he is much happier making the music he's making now and thats great! I just don't feel that Depeche Mode is that much worse off without him, but like I said before: people listen to music for all different reasons. I'm sure someone who appreciates the technical aspects of all the work that goes into producing music then yeah Ultra was stripped down and not nearly as produced as any of their previous stuff and Exciter was missing something. I listen to music and specifically DM because I love the songs and I appreciate the creative process of writing lyrics and composing melodies or whatnot. I guess we're just looking at it from two different standpoints... like you said you're a producer... I'm a writer and a singer so there ya go!

[~kellyrenee]

Originally posted by greylantern


Recoil and Depeche Mode can't even be compared... Depeche Mode makes pop music that is based on the incredible strength of Martin's songwriting abilities and David's charisma, while Recoil makes somewhat inaccessible electronic music that is based on Alan's skill as a producer. Alan was a great addition to Depeche, but without the foundation Martin's songs to work with Alan hasn't done anything that has impressed me with Recoil. I'm sorry but I'm sick of hearing people say that DM is crap now that Alan's gone. SoFaD was overrated, and the songs on Ultra are just as strong as anything Martin has ever written... If you only listen to music for the studio work then sure I can see how you might be disappointed, but I listen to Depeche because of the brilliance of Martin's songwriting and lyrical skills and because David is one of the best damn frontmen in the history of popular music. ...and saying that Recoil is everything DM couldn't be is just ignorant, even Alan says that there is no basis for comparison between the two groups.

VERY WELL SAID Greylantern! I agree with EVERYTHING you said here. Every point you made mirrors my opinions. No point in me recapping your quote...it all just made perfect sense. Every word!

[~Joevirus]

Originally posted by 7red7
I personally think that a lot of the younger DM fans keep forgetting that Alan was one of the chief song-cowriters in terms of the music while in the studio throughout the 80's, and was responsible for solely writing some of DM's best tracks...He was and still is (fact) a better musician than anyone of the other band members...

..


I agree 100%. I liked It's No Good on Ultra, but the rest of it sounded like the producers were trying to put out a Nine Inch Nails album. Listen to the composition of Barrel, it sounds like a NIN song. It came out pretty much right after "Closer", and sounded very similar.

If Dave leaves would they still be called Depeche Mode? Like when Ian left Echo for a while? Martin would still be there, but would they play the older Dave hits live?

[7red7]

Thanks Joevirus...I thought I was going to get hit with a bunch of flame posts back for that comment, but it had to be said...I just think that DM hasn't been DM since SOFAD...JMHO...

[~zoggoz]

I don't think Dave would leave there was such huge positive charge from the creation of this release and the tour for Mart,Fletch and himself they seamed a little more together this time. The only people I would like to see not with the group are the backup singers unnecessary and the live drummer more synth.

[7red7]

You know, I gotta agree...The female back-up singers ruin it in a way...When I went to my first Devotional tour show, I was shocked when I saw and heard them on stage...After a while you get used to it, but I'd like to see them gone the next go-round :)

I like the live drummer though..When Alan played drums during In Your Room, I was like "Oh hell yeah!!" It adds a good element to the live show, as does Mart on the guitar... :D

[~greylantern]

Well if DM hasn't been DM since SOFAD then when did they become DM in the first place?? Alan was a big contributor, but from what I understand is that most of his contributions came in the studio. He did write some good tracks for DM, but none of them are my favourites... and as for Ultra sounding like NIN... you might think that but I don't think so at all and as for the songs on Ultra, Bottom Line, Home, Sister of Night, It's No Good, and Freestate are all indespensible classics IMO and none of them sound a bit like NIN. Yeah maybe Barrel Of A Gun was written to be a radio hit and was given that sound just so it would get some damn airplay, but people said the same thing when SOFAD came out... that DM was going "rock" to fit in with what was popular. DM has varied their sound from album to album I mean someone could just as easily say that Black Celebration was their "dark" album and that they produced that to sound like whatever else was out there etc. etc. Martin has always written songs that are obviously influenced by artists that inspire him... look at Construction Time Again, you can easily hear the influence of Einsturzende Neubauten and Fad Gadget (two artists who Martin admitted were a big influence in the early DM days). Well anyway you can have Alan-era DM all you want, Ultra is still one of the groups best albums.

[~greylantern]

Originally posted by 7red7
I like the live drummer though..When Alan played drums during In Your Room, I was like "Oh hell yeah!!" It adds a good element to the live show, as does Mart on the guitar... :D

I could go either way with the background singers, but the live drums are GREAT! It adds a new element to their music in the live setting, and I would much rather see someone behind a drum set than have everything on DAT.

[7red7]

Dm hasn't been the ssame since SOFAD...Thats what I was getting at that with that comment...I still love and respect them for everything they've ever done up until that point...Their change wasn't the right one IMO...Mature all you want and change from album to album, but this newer material is just too off-base for me to get into :)

Thats okay, I'll take the Alan-era...Thats my favorite time period anyway...I didn't even care for Vince being in the group either...Again, JMO...

Thanks for going with me on the live drummer thing though, as a drummer myself, theres nothing more I like to do onstage than get down with my drums, and play it loud!!! :)

[7red7]

Oh my god, did I just actually have a debate over DM in the DM forum in a mature manner without being flamed upon for expressing a different opinion over the majority???

I think I did...

*stops to double check*

Yeppers, I did...

Thanks for the great debate greylantern :D

[~kellyrenee]

Ultra remains to be one of DM's best albums. This, of course, is just my opinion. But I feel it blew SOFAD away. Exciter wasn't their best, true...but Ultra alone proved that DM was, and still is, the great band they've always been - WITH or WITHOUT Alan.

[~greylantern]

Originally posted by 7red7
Oh my god, did I just actually have a debate over DM in the DM forum in a mature manner without being flamed upon for expressing a different opinion over the majority???

I think I did...

*stops to double check*

Yeppers, I did...

Thanks for the great debate greylantern :D

LOL no prob, you make good points and after all it is just opinions!!

[7red7]

Oh I like Ultra a lot...Love Thieves is an all time favorite for sure...And I even giver Exciter a little credit, but it just doesn't feel the same...You know what it is, I'm stuck on that 101/Violator kick...Sorry everyone...Hey at least I'm not biased though :)

So all the DM fans in Da House Say Heeeeeeeeeyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

[~kellyrenee]

HHEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[~greylantern]

You're right, Exciter doesn't feel the same. It's a good album, but other than Alan's absence there's a bunch of things that made Exciter different. First I think that the guys' experiences with their families and time away from DM affected them a lot. Martin seems to be writing a lot more ballads as he has been getting older. Exciter has plenty of great songs but I think what it's really missing that ALL of the previous DM albums had is some songs that really kicked ass that you could just blast! (NO DEAD OF NIGHT DOES NOT COUNT!!! THAT SONG'S BLOODY AWFUL) I mean Exciter didn't have an It's No Good, or a Behind the Wheel, or an I Feel You, etc. All it really had was I Feel Loved which was still just an average club anthem IMO... Maybe Mark Bell had more to do with that than Martin, and Alan could have possibly turned a couple of the songs into another Enjoy the Silence... If we could have Alan back it would be great, but we can't so oh well I'll take whatever DM i can get!

[~kellyrenee]

Exciter DID have 'When the Body Speaks'....an absolutely beautiful song. 'Dream On' and 'Freelove' were great songs too. 'When the Body Speaks' remains to be one of my favorite DM songs, it just happens to be on one of the worst DM albums. I agree though with greylantern, there wasn't really a song that you could just turn up and get crazy with. But on the flipside, 'When the Body Speaks' makes me want to drive down a country hillside alone with the windows rolled down just as much as 'Somebody' did.

[test]

I guess I am in the minority here. I LOVE the Dead of Night. I love the sound, the vocals, everything. I also love Ultra and Exciter. I for one am glad that Alan is gone. I am a Goregirl though, so that's to be expected. ;)

[7red7]

See I knew Steph would get back in on this one...

And I won't argue you're points at all either, I've met you, and know that you could really hurt me if I p****d you off *LOL* ;)

[~kellyrenee]

That was wierd Dan. How do you work that IM thing on egn???

[7red7]

Go into someon's profile and click send so and so an instant message...Pretty cool huh??? :)

[~greylantern]

Dead of Night came across good live... but it didn't quite work on Exciter. I love Martin's lyrics and while Dead of Night may have been a bit tongue in cheek the lyrics were IMO very lame... David really enjoyed performing it though and I think that's what saved it for me.

[~NightHalo]

I think DM have been changing with each album since Violator. I believe each album has been a positive maturation. And to answer the beginning question... God I hope Dave doesn't leave DM. That would just be way too depressing!

[Avil]

Dead of night kicks major ass.
It´s the absolute best song Dm has released since A question of time and maybe also Home. I just feeeeel the songs, feels like I´m a part of the song. Geeeeze! Love that song

[~Joevirus]

I think Violator was the last great DM album. What I liked about DM in the 80's was that no-one else had their sounds. Vince Clarke is one of my fave producers as well, and his early contributions helped mold those sounds. Alan took what Vince did and ran with it, experimenting with NEW samplers and a new tchnology called MIDI. It was awesome to see them evolve into their own, and I think Music For The Masses and Violator are the best written and produced DM albums.

SOFAD lost it for me. It was to jangly, the guitars, the spaghetti western rhythm, not their synthpop origins. I know bands should mature, but I feel they lost the magic with SOFAD.

DM always had an edge to their music up until SOFAD. NEw sounds and new effects, the way they sounded crisp and airtight, etc... They were pioneers in this genre, and it sounds like they lost their experimental edge.
Like I said, It's no good rocks.

If you look at my profile you'll see that I'm a writer and singer as well as a producer, so I can see all sides to this.

[~Paul McCann]

From a nostalga point of view I hope Dave stays. Another part of me is very much down with idea of Marty and Dave making thier own albums. I love what Alan has done since he left, as well as DM's newer stuff. Mr. Clarke has also made some very credible stuff since he departed.
I do not think Dave is leaving though. I honestly still believe that Alan may even return for at least one album. The band has said it's now like a revolving door. The lack of new Recoil is what really is at the root of this suspicion. I'm probably wrong but wouldn't that be great!

[~SweetestMartin1]

Applause to "greylantern" :D i agree with you 101% about all of that you said. I thought I am the only one who is "sick" of reading about how DM can't go on without Alan.:( I mean i love Alan and all. He is not "driving creative force of DM", Mart is Heart and soul of band, he wrote devoted song and created new sound for music to masses and Dave is voice and frontman, sure Alan is great keyboardist but that is all. I don't think?..he is genius.

back to first question: mmmmhh?..what is the question again?..:p oh...Do you think Dave would leave DM? personally, I really don't care, but professionally?..no, i don't think Dave would leave DM. I mean what else? would Dave be good at beside singing?.:p

[~NightHalo]

I didn't like Dead of Night when I first heard it, but now it has grown on me. I really like the old "Night of the Living Dead" type atmosphere it has. When Dave sings, "All that we live for you'll regret, all you remember we'll forget..," it reminds me of a old horror movie.

[~hippychick]

What is Dead of Night about b/c it sounds like DM taking the piss out of themselves