View Full Version : CARP releases it's royalty rates ... say goodbye to internet radio
Synthpopalooza
June 22nd, 2002, 03:53 AM
Just got a notice in from Live365 ...
http://www.copyright.gov/carp/webcasting_rates.html
It's happened, the rates are here. The only good news is that they recommended 7 cents instead of 14 cents. But this looks to be kicking indie web radio in the guts.
More info is here: http://www.boycott-riaa.com/article/4956
Basically, Live365 faces an instant fee of $1.5 million due to the "previous webcasts" proviso, plus they now have to pay $200,000 a month in these fees.
This looks like the beginning of the end for us webcasters. :( I don't know what we can do now. But I am going to keep streaming my synthpop radio until they pull the plug on me. That's all I can do.
I think I am gonna throw up now.
~raven0us-
June 22nd, 2002, 05:55 AM
personally i dont care, the riaa are ¤¤¤¤¤s that is given, and they think artists will be happier now? yeah right, they need to think about this a little better, if anything artists wont be noticed as much and it will turn into 1990 again before the birth of internet radio where underground artists wont be heard as often and it will suffer due to it. its a bunch of freaking crap if you ask me. i got started listening to music ive never heard before like kraftwerk and razed in black, now kids just now getting into music will turn to mtv and mainstream radio for their source and the major labels can cash in on gay ¤¤¤¤ like briney spears (we all know this ¤¤¤¤¤ needs another boob job) and nstink. thank you riaa! we love you here! come visit us and tell us how much more money the pop artists get due to you (and how much their labels paid you to go through with killing humans outlet for different and talented artists).
~Tekkrokk
June 22nd, 2002, 05:36 PM
The RIAA just shot themselves in the foot (again). If it wasn't for the internet, I never would've found out about many of the groups I listen to today. None of the radio stations here in NY play Mesh, VNV Nation, APB, etc...Internet radio stations, especially those on Live365 were a fantastic way to expose listeners to bands that the corporate owned radio stations disregard.
And as a former Live365 webcaster myself, I am outraged by these decisions.
Hopefully someday the RIAA will realize their complete lack of vision.
Synthpopalooza
June 28th, 2002, 05:52 AM
Ok guys ... check this out:
http://www.twothousandbc.com/images/synthpopalooza-distress.gif (http://save.synthpop.fm)
I am fighting this the only way I can ... by doing a page about it. http://save.synthpop.fm ... I hope this will wake some people up.
NoirTech
June 28th, 2002, 12:23 PM
That really sucks. There goes all the cool online radio stations I was listening to. Wonder how this will effect Todd's station.
This is truly sad. I hope one day they will all wake up.
Synthpopalooza
June 29th, 2002, 12:57 AM
Todd is on live635, so the answer is yes ... if it goes through he could have to pay a monthly fee to live365. Mind you he is more financially able to support his stream than I am (I work at a minimum wage job) ...
It all depends on whether Todd will be able to pay the monthly fee that will surely be instituted by Live365 as to whether his stream will remain up. Same goes for me, but it's real stink to think that we're being reamed both ways by the RIAA on this one.
test
July 2nd, 2002, 01:20 PM
This is all very sad...
...bows head for moment of silence
Synthpopalooza
July 2nd, 2002, 01:47 PM
Well, a bit of good news ...
Live 365 has instituded a Royalty Administration Fee of $5 a month for all broadcasts. $5 a month is something I can do, and is reasonable. But it means I am going to have to cut off two of my streams. So therefore, after August 1st, the only stream left will be my T1/DSL stream (seems more people listen to it anyway).
I am still keeping my save synthpop.fm site up though, because I think what the RIAA is trying to do to internet radio is wrong, and I have a feeling they still won't give up this easily. :( Vigilance is they key. This one snuck up on me and caught me unawares and it shall not happen again.
test
July 2nd, 2002, 01:50 PM
Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe someday they will see the error of their ways.
~NullDevice
July 2nd, 2002, 03:23 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tekkrokk
The RIAA just shot themselves in the foot (again). If it wasn't for the internet, I never would've found out about many of the groups I listen to today. None of the radio stations here in NY play Mesh, VNV Nation, APB, etc...Internet radio stations, [QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter to RIAA. They don't represent labels who aren't BMG, WarnerBros, Universal, or Sony. If every Metropolis, COP Intl, SubPop, Beggars Banquet or TwoGuysInABasementSellingCDs went away forever, they wouldn't care.
Synthpopalooza
July 3rd, 2002, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by NullDevice
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter to RIAA. They don't represent labels who aren't BMG, WarnerBros, Universal, or Sony. If every Metropolis, COP Intl, SubPop, Beggars Banquet or TwoGuysInABasementSellingCDs went away forever, they wouldn't care.[/b]
Heck, they'd probably celebrate, less competition for the Big 5, thin the pond out a bit ...
Synthpopalooza
July 3rd, 2002, 03:56 AM
Ok here's the deal ...
Starting on August 2, you will have to pay a Royalty Administration Fee of $5 per month for each stream you run, if you want to keep it ... there is a link you must click into in order to indicate to Live 365 that you wish to keep your station.
Go here: http://www.live365.com/info/royaltyfaq.html
Also, go here: http://www.live365.com/carp/activist.html, and sign up for Live 365's activist corps, stay informed on the latest developments regarding thr CARP issue.
My thoughts on the fee: $5 is reasonable. It could have been a lot more but Live365 are really trying to keep as many broadcasters on as they can. I have to kill two of my streams but I am not going to let the big bad RIAA scare me off. Nor will I give up the fight until CARP is scuttled.
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