Reason 2.0 Released !

[~arronc]

This was released on tuesday, and will be available next week in the UK.

I have been on the beta program for this and it is very very good : good and productive to work with.

The granular synth is fantasitc and detacable sequencer a real pleasure.

When my release copy arrives Ill have to let you all know how it performs !

(the beta copy was slow because it included all the debug code)

[Avil]

I gor reason, but I don´t understand anything of it.
OK I know how it works, but the thing is that I can´t get it working. No sounds! Gotta connect it with a synth or something heh? How? Tell me someone...can I do it in any other way?

[~pop]

YOu need a midi or USB keyboard controller and recommend to use it with Asio compatible sound card.

[~arronc]

to get it to play back, after installing it, you need to go to preferences and select the correct drivers for your soundcard from the Audio tab.

It should then play back the demo songs.

POP is right, you really need a music keyboard, but there is (or was) a program on propellerheads website to allow you to use your computer keyboard for input.

[Avil]

Hm...that sounded much harder than I thought. Something tells me that I have to call my friend that gave me the program to help me or something. I´m so stupid when it comes to these things if I don´t have a step-by-step program or something.

I just have a regular sound card, do I need someting special?

[~arronc]

A regular sound card is fine to do playback. Just go to the 2nd menu from the right,options the audio select MME or dirct x drivers.

[~pop]

Regular sound cards are ok if you are not doing real time...
You need 10ms or less to get good real time action going.
Regular sound cards can't do that...
Reason was not designed for tracker environment.
For non real time action, you are better off with tools like
Fruity Loops.

[~arronc]

I think you're right POP : I certainly dont use it in that environment, but Im guessing that avil is just having a look, not seriously going to start using it bigtime.

Avil if you are heed pop's warning ! He is right !

[~intro]

You said it'll work with ASIO drivers. Will it work with WDM? I just got the WDM drivers for my Echo Gina card and I am floored by how the latency was improved.

-Mark
www.djintrovert.com

[~arronc]

Yes it will work well with WDM, ASIO is better though.

I have had it working through WDM with my pocket VX Card on my portable setup.

[~intro]

ASIO is better? Well, my Gina can work with that too. But in Cubase SX with VSTis, I've seen that WDM is performing better. Strange.

-Mark
www.djintrovert.com

[~arronc]

Hey : I am also using SX : (but with a tascam TDIF CArd)

Well, it could be faster for you I suppose : I have always been aware that ASIO was native to steinburg, and this has always been my preference. I have never done back to back testing.

Times could change though !

[Avil]

OMG, this is becoming way to complicated to me...
I think I leave reason for a while...
but I do know that it´s a great program, my friend from Daily Planet made some small tunes on it and send them to me. Can´t hear that it isn´t made on real synths...

*goes back to her synths*

[~pop]

WDM is native Win2000 and Xp environment. WDM is more stable than Asio and easier to program, because PC's native environment. Reason performs better under Asio. It was originally written around Asio in mind. Gina is very good card.
They have excellent drivers. There should be no problem.

Sonar = WDM
Cubase=ASIO
Logic=EASI
PROTOOL=TDM/RTAS

[~KissTheStar]

I just had XP tweaked this weekend to improve performance for Cubase. XP needs to be tweaked from my understanding to run audio properly ... the tweaks can be found at Steinberg's website. I also noticed a huge difference when I switched to a MOTU 24i with the ASIO driver.

~Craig

[~NukleoN]

I need to get my hands on the latest Sonar (2). ;)

[~intro]

Completely unrelated, but Nukleon, your vocals kinda remind me of Peter Gabriel in a weird way.

-Mark
www.djintrovert.com

[~cliffwalk]

SONAR..... Wow, beautiful piece of software so far. I love using it in conjuction with Reaktor.

You still can't beat the STABILITY of outboard gear with PC-dependant softsynths but Sonar really does make it stupid-simple to manage integrating them into songs.

I give it another year/year and a half and the major OS' will stabilize their kernels to handle the requirements. Right now those drive abstractions (WDM, ASIO, ETC) are way-too-unpredictable.

Dave

[~arronc]

Cliffwalk : You sound as though you think Audio Units from osX have caught your eye/ear. I expect good things to come out of apple/emagic !

[~pop]

Problem is Apple doesn't know how to make CPUS. PC is going to be 3ghz soon. Apple won't reach 2ghz for few years.

[~arronc]

Hmmm : its lucky that motorola do though !

Relative Clock speed is a really poor measure of performance. MIPS would be better.

I am a pc user and I wish I didnt have to be on this stupid path where I need to clock faster and fast, and cosequently hotter and hotter, and with fans louder and loader.

[~nwdve]

Originally posted by arronc

Relative Clock speed is a really poor measure of performance. MIPS would be better.

I am a pc user and I wish I didnt have to be on this stupid path where I need to clock faster and fast, and cosequently hotter and hotter, and with fans louder and loader.

Amen and amen. I do not wish to start a war here as I have been using Macs and PCs for audio and midi production for many years. My experience has been that you can accomplish what you want to do on either platform, however, the Mac has proven itself to me at being much more stable over the years. If you intend to use PCs for audio, it is important to have your computer custom built with high quality components and leave off all the crap that bogs down the system!! My PC works great, but it still doesn't approach my mac in true performance and stability.

Oh by the way, Reason 2.0 can take advantage of the Mac's OS X dual processor environment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[~arronc]

Yeah, but dual processing is not very efficiant !


I think system link fron steinburg will save us all !

[~cliffwalk]

Wintel has so many issues but I still stick with it because I'm diehard. I've been tempted to go the way of the Mac for Music for years but everything technical I do that ISN'T Music related has been on clones.... (Most of my "professiona/day job"l work is done on Win2K, BSD, and Linux platforms)

I'll agree .... I get extremely frustrated by the instability and spend a great deal of time ripping things apart to improve performance.

Optimization at the Kernel level would be a nice start.

Dave

[~nwdve]

Originally posted by arronc
Yeah, but dual processing is not very efficiant !


I think system link fron steinburg will save us all !

Not to argue (I hate that crap) but, dual processors are very efficient when the application is written with it in mind. Reason 2.0 is one of these programs! It will run like the devil on a dual 1 ghz G4. I share your appreciation for Steinberg. I will probably switch to Nuendo as soon as my Paris Pro dies!

I have been using pc's for many years. I can tell you, every major crash or problem I have had during a recording session has been Windows related....aaaargh....a pox on Bill Gates! I have also used Mac's...with very few problems. Usually the problems I have run into on Mac platforms have been software bugs in Cubase (not knocking cubase...great program) or Logic.

[~arronc]

Hmmm : again not to argue but .....

Yeah macs are quite stable by comparison to most pcs. By dual proccessors being inefficiant I meant that due to threading distribution a second processor will deliver between 33% and 66 % thoughput, not the 100% you would expect.

Adding multiple clustered machines will give you about 95%

I would never diss a Mac :)

[~pacperson]

pop wrote

Problem is Apple doesn't know how to make CPUS. PC is going to be 3ghz soon. Apple won't reach 2ghz for few years

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sorry, but that statement is total crap. first off, apple doesnt make cpus. other companies make them for mac. motorala has been slacking off lately. be prepared for some changes in the near future.

and also you can't compare pc & mac mhz directly to each other. theres a lot of other factors that you have to take into account.

and regardless if pcs reach the 5 ghz mark, it still has a crap OS, and that is one of the main reasons why many people prefer mac over pc.

also, most people who use macs profesionally use outboard soundcards (protools tdm, hd etc.), with built in DSP, so you don't really rely on the systems cpu power. With a decent PT system, you're getting hundreds & hundreds of real time effects/plugins w/no latency. Yeah, you can buy PT for pc, but only a fool would do that, lol.

And also, ive worked in a lot of different studios, and the only pcs ive encountered, are the ones on the receptionists desk, lol. I think that says a hell of a lot.

Do i hate pcs ? yes, you betcha.

Am I a biased person ? yeah, probably.

pcs are good for games though, im not gonna argue with that.

;D

[~pacperson]

Oh, and let me comment on the original topic of the thread.

Yes, Reason 2 absolutely rocks !

[~ak1l00]

Reason 2.0 is fabulous and my songs are done only with it :D
if u want to download my songs (mp3) go to http://www.ak1l00.fr.st

[~pop]

Originally posted by pacperson

Do i hate pcs ? yes, you betcha.

Am I a biased person ? yeah, probably.

pcs are good for games though, im not gonna argue with that.

;D[/b]

I hate Mac with a passion. How stupid company can be?
Most of the parts come from one company and it took them over
15 years to make something stable by copying Mach32 which is
over 10 years old technology by NextStep that was borrowed by UNIX.

[~arronc]

I dont care about mac v pC becasue I ve had problems on both platforms. I am suprised however that ak100 has got Reason running on his CBM PET.

CP/M is a great operating system and Ive never had anyproblems with it. The only issue is the lack of multimedia applications for it.

:)

[~ak1l00]

arronc :D
i don't have problems with my pc, i use Reason 2.0 with WinXP pro sp1... but FastTrackerII don't work on XP :(
:D

[~nwdve]

I love Reason!! It runs very well on both platforms, Mac OS and Windows. For me it has been the most fun and exciting piece of software I have used in years!

[~NukleoN]

DJ Introvert, is it Mark? Sorry I never replied to you earlier...but thanks for the comparison. I certainly have respect for Peter Gabriel...and his studio, wow. ;)

By the way, I did finally buy Reason 2 and am using it with ASIO drivers under Sonar 2XL. Reason 2 is stable, sounds great and works very well with Sonar...highly recommended...but I'd *highly* recommend having a sound card with ASIO support for the lowest latency.

I've tested Reason 2 with the M-Audio Delta 1010 and the Audiophile 2496 and Reason works great with both. (Both support ASIO).

[~delobbo]

not to argue, but Macs SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kidding.

It's pretty clear that Macs have dominated the audio/video production environments for some while now... not to mention publishing and graphic design...

what do I use? PC. :D :D This is mainly because I'm a slightly insane gamer and I need my games... and I need the masses to play against... :)

Lately I've been messing around with Reason 1.0 - pretty crazy program!

[~ZuN]

Originally posted by delobbo
[b]not to argue, but Macs SUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kidding.

It's pretty clear that Macs have dominated the audio/video production environments for some while now...

what do I use? PC. :D :D This is mainly because I'm a slightly insane gamer and I need my games... and I need the masses to play against... :)

b>

What!!, you mean you don't like the "10" games available for MAC ;-)

j/k

[~MidiRipper]

Saw this link on another site. Pretty nice rendering:

http://www.iloyd.com/photo/reasonst2.jpg

'Ripper