Let them crush us - Lyrics?

[~mesh22]

Does anybody have the lyrics for that amazing B side?
Thanks

[~ModeMan101]

LET THEM CRUSH US


You said it too
It silences and freezes
And I'm with you
Two misshapen pieces

You say that you'll never know what it's like to be neglected
And you'll never feel how it hurts when you're rejected
So

They control us, they console us
Why do all these places hold us?
When they rush us, let them crush us
Can't we be the ones to turn it around?
We'd dream of tearing them down

They might refuse
But take some time to feed them
And let them choose
The perfect way to raise them

You say that nobody sleeps like you sleep 'cause you're protected
To say that all things entwine and that somehow we're connected
So

They control us, they console us
Why do all these places hold us?
When they rush us, let them crush us
Can't we be the ones to turn it around?
We'd dream of tearing them down

You and me... for a moment maybe
You and me... can't we be the ones to turn it around?

They control us, they console us
Why do all these places hold us?
When they rush us, let them crush us
Can't we be the ones to turn it around?
We'd dream of tearing them down

You said that you'll never know what it's like to be a victim
Just take a look at us now, are you sure that you can trust them?
Are you sure that you can trust them?
Are you sure that you can trust them?



MM101

[~interface2x]

You say that your body sleeps like you sleep 'cause you're protected

I thought he was saying: You say that nobody sleeps like you sleep / 'cause you're protected.

Colin

[~GuyverX]

Yeah, you're right Colin. I went back and checked. :)

[~ModeMan101]

Alright Colin Cleverclogs :goofball:

I [i]was</> typing on the fly, you know..... heheh

I've gone up and edited them for accuracy :D

MM101

[~interface2x]

If I can't go online and prove someone wrong, what's the internet for?!

:P

Colin

[~Hajas]

The first time that I heard that song I thought the lyrics may say other things, I mean "Let them crush us" or "let them crush US"

US = United States

take a look on this part for exemple

"You said that you'll never know what it's like to be a victim
Just take a look at US now, are you sure that you can trust them? "

I think that is about WTC tragedy.

Or am I very mad? :)

Freddy

[~ModeMan101]

You're very, very mad Freddy....


MM101

[~mesh22]

hey, thanks!!!

[~interface2x]

I'd say that this interpretation doesn't really work, Freddy, because I saw them do this track live in Chicago in MArch 2001.

Colin

[~Hajas]

It's only a different interpretation of the song, because I think that some "us" don't make any sence in this song.

But make more sence as:

They control us, they console us
Why do all these places hold US?
When they rush us, let them crush US
Can't we be the ones to turn it around?
We'd dream of tearing them down

I think that don't make sence with all as "us" especially this phrase:
"When they rush us, let them crush us"

think about it:

US "control" the world
US "console" all other countries with his products, music, movies, etc...
Doesn't matter what US made all the countries "hold US".

So...
When they rush us, let them crush US
Can't we be the ones to turn it around?
We'd dream of tearing them down

please note, I'm not agreed with Bin Laden and I'm not against US. Is only my point of view, aside I am mad. :)

Cheers,

Freddy

[~mesh22]

that was kind of a stupid interpretation.
mind you

[~Hajas]

Be stupid is said that some different point of view is stupid. :)

Cheers,

Freddy

[~Destral]

Different point's of views are great and all, but I seriously doubt Mesh wrote that would follow your theory. If your theory were true, that is very anti-american. I dont want to say your idea is stupid, but it is highly unlikely and a very, very far stretch considering those lines are shaky at best and a few lines don't even make that much sense...

Oh, I'm back.

[~Hajas]

Like I said before, aren't all "US" that mean "U.S." in my opinion.

If all "US" means the same thing the song don't really make sense in some parts for both sides.

That's only my point of view, probally I'm wrong because no one agreed with me until now, or maybe not? Only Mark can answer that, and he probally will never do it. :)

Cheers from Rio,

Freddy

[~Tekkrokk]

Hajas:

As someone who saw the World Trade Center attacked live, I am infuriated by your stupid interpretation.
Furhermore, I'm sure Mesh would be horrified to learn of this.

Yeah, this is a sore topic for me, and justifiably so.

[~Hajas]

Tekkrokk,

must be horrible see that from very close, I can't believe when happened watching here in Rio, all the city stay in silence for all day.

I'm against that attack of course, and I don't agree with Bin Laden and Sadan for sure.

I only read something that is against USA way of rule the world, and I don't close my eyes for the real world.

And I don't said also that Mesh agreed with the attack, but they had questioned about the way of USA rule the world and all that come back because that.

That's my point of view, I don't care if is stupid or not, but probally you have a better interpretetion that isn't stupid right?

So I'll be happy to read the thruth about this song if you can write here to us. :)

Cheers,

Freddy

[~Tekkrokk]

Hajas:

I'm not going to use this message board to get into a political debate with you, but your interpretation is hurtful, irresponsible, and ignorant. If you read that Mesh wrote this song as an Anti-American anthem, well I'd like to see this article. If this was their intention, I'll destroy all of the Mesh CD's I own without remorse.
But again, I seriously doubt that Mesh intended the lyrics to be anti-American. Most of their songs are about emotions and relationships (or lack thereof). "Let them crush us" is no exception.

I'm sorry to hear that people in different countries feel so oppressed by the USA. Maybe some of those people should remember the millions of dollars in foreign aid the USA gave them. And Great Britain (Mesh's home country) is certainly not one of those nations feeling oppressed. England remain a staunch ally of the US.

And while you are using this message board and website, keep in mind that it too is an American product from New York.

[~Hajas]

Man, I only said what I read (the lyrics, don't exist any article saying that what I know.), nothing more. :)

And I know that EGN is an "american product" for sure, and I'm not "feeling opressed by USA" or anything like that, and I'm not against USA, I only said what I read, only that, and final point.

Don't be too radical friend, I have family in California, and tons of friends in USA, you are talking like was me that wrote that song.

And about burn all your Mesh collection because that, don't do that! They are the best band out there, many bands around the world already said something not good about USA, until the american bands said that all the time, look Eminem and all Rappers for exemple.

And Mesh in my point of view still don't do that, only questioned about that, UK be an allied of USA for exemple on the end of the song with "are you sure than you can trust them?", and goes on...

Sorry if this hurt you, or any other american out there, that wasn't my main idea, I only want to know what the americans feels with this song, because all are loving this song out there what I know, aside saying all these stuff (that I think is).

And at least, you don't wrote any interpretetion about the song yet. Don't exist another? If you don't have another, so forget it, let's put an end on this thread.

I only want to say is that I'm not "stupid, hurtful, irresponsible, and ignorant" like you said, please open your eyes and ears before your mouth, and you will make a better world. :)

Cheers from sunny Rio pal,

Freddy

[test]

I guess the only way to truly know what this song is about is to email mesh and ask. I think Mark would tell you if you asked him. It's worth a try. :)

[~Tekkrokk]

Thanks Stephanie, thats exactly what I'm going to do. I'm sorry to all if I seemed a bit harsh before. I'll let you all know what I find out.

[test]

Thank you! I have been trying to figure what he meant in this song. I thought it was about feelings, but that didn't fit. I just recently figured out what he meant in Safe With Me. That's a twisted song!:laugh:

[~Hajas]

What I know Mark will answer that is a free interpretation like all mesh song, and never will reveal what he thought when wrote the song.

But really doesn't matter, is better which one have keep his feelings to yourself to not hurt anyone.

Freddy

[~Tekkrokk]

Originally posted by Stephanie
I guess the only way to truly know what this song is about is to email mesh and ask. I think Mark would tell you if you asked him. It's worth a try. :)

I got a response from Mark. I didn't ask him what the song was about; I only wanted to make sure that the previously stated anti-U.S. interpretation is false. Here's what he wrote:

Rich,

Thanks for the mail.

Interesting one.

It actually wasn't the intention at all. I think the interpretation is
probably much cleverer than the original lyrics although it's not a
sentiment that I would publish in such a way even if it were my view,
which
it certainly isn't.

We are looking forward to coming to the US at some point this year to
be
honest ;-)

Hope that clears it up a little.

Thanks for the moral support - it's appreciated!
Best Wishes

Mark (mesh)


In conclusion, I'd like to thank Mark of Mesh for clearing this up. I have been and will continue to be a huge Mesh fan :-)

[test]

Tekkrokk, you are my person of the day! You ROCK!!!!!!! Ohhh, I soooooo want to see mesh. You made my day with your post. :woohoo:

[~Dan1boy]

Wow, this has been one of the most interesting AND entertaining threads I've read in weeks! Whoah! Freddy, you are certainly entitled to your opinion/interpretation and from your point of view, I think it was quite clever to surmise such a theme from that innocent little song :-) I never in a hundred years would have dissected the lyrics and come to that opinion...bravo on originality.

Of course, I didn't think for one quick minute that Mark had Anti-American views....as stated above, Britain and the U.S. are staunch allies. And I applaud Mark for taking the time out to clear the debate via email. Very cool.

Here's hoping the greatest electronic band alive today tours North America soon!!!

[~Hajas]

Nice to ask Mark, but he answered what I told you what he will exact answer. :)

He don't answered about what that song really means, and off course will deny that he have an "anti-american" feeling inside.

Because is something that I never thought or said here that he have, doesn't matter the interpretation of these lyrics.

Like as I said above, he only contest that IMO, the relashionship between US and the World, and final point. For me that is a great song with fantastic lyrics.

Here in Brazil we have a lot of songs like this one, with "hidden feelings" or "hidden messages". Maybe because that I found that "strange", but not false interpretation on the first time that I heard that song.

Songs without many sense in his normal writting, probally means other things, or have only bad lyrics. So is better think that the lyrics are great for that interpretation in my opinion, or maybe in another unkown. :)

Do a song that contest something isn't a war declaration, it's only a thing that make you think better, different than TV. :)

We all have our own interpretation for each song of any band, that is the cool thing, different points of views.

"Blue Moon" could means "a Moon that is Blue" to you, but to me means a "Sad Night". It's only differents points of views, that both must be respected. :)

Mesh is my fave band for last 5 years, I never want to make anyone hate them because a single song. :)

Cheer from Rio! :)

Freddy

[~interface2x]

To quote many of my old English professors at college ... "Sometimes, in poetry, a log is just a log." It's nice to come up with your own intrepretations to songs and have special meanings from them, but you have to be careful when you do. It's human nature to view things through your own experiences or points of view and it's possible to see things that just plain aren't there. Interpretation or not, you can twist all kinds of songs or books into something that they clearly aren't.

[~Hajas]

For me, that song is clearly about what I said, aside for you is clearly different.

For me, this song don't have any sense for the "normal" reading, aside for you, is cleary.

We have different points of view cleary, and that's all. :)

Is too easy said that someone is stupid to have different opinions.

And thinking better, "let them crush US" is about that discussion is some way too, like many here responded to my post with hate if not agreed, releasing all their weapons against "the enemy", before than simple stop, read again and think a little.

The more funny, is that "enemy" really not exist. :)

Where are the "American Fredom" of expression?

We are in the same boat, with same tastes in music, why all this war about a single interpretation? for god. let's forget it, or I need to say that I agreed with you before I go to sleep? :)

Peace & Love, Inc.! :)

Freddy

[~DarkstaR]

Originally posted by Stephanie
Thank you! I have been trying to figure what he meant in this song. I thought it was about feelings, but that didn't fit. I just recently figured out what he meant in Safe With Me. That's a twisted song!:laugh:

So what's your interpretation of Safe With Me? I haven't quite figured it out though I certainly understand some of it. But what exactly does he mean with "you're safe with me"? Is it irony? The theme seems kind of similar to Assemblage 23's Your Armour if you've ever heard it (I think the lyrics are on his website).

Mesh can be twisted at time, like in Firefly or What Does it Cost You?

I suck at interpreting and understanding lyrics...most of it make no sense to me :) Maybe it's because my first language isn't English...I don't know.

That Anti-US theory didn't seem to fit well with Mesh. This isn't Funker Vogt or State of the Union we are talking :)

[~Hajas]

I don't remember Safe With Me lyrics right now, but I don't had any problem to interpretate this song.

What I remember, the main feeling (IMO) is that someone that were fine with he, left and went in a big trouble after that.

Post the full lyrics in a new trade, and we all could make this together. :)

Freddy

[test]

Originally posted by DarkstaR


So what's your interpretation of Safe With Me? I haven't quite figured it out though I certainly understand some of it. But what exactly does he mean with "you're safe with me"? Is it irony? The theme seems kind of similar to Assemblage 23's Your Armour if you've ever heard it (I think the lyrics are on his website).

Mesh can be twisted at time, like in Firefly or What Does it Cost You?

I suck at interpreting and understanding lyrics...most of it make no sense to me :) Maybe it's because my first language isn't English...I don't know.

That Anti-US theory didn't seem to fit well with Mesh. This isn't Funker Vogt or State of the Union we are talking :)

Ok, here's my take on Safe With Me. The cd is in the car right now, so I can't go line by line but I will do my best. This is just off the top of my head since I am listening to iris right now. :D

He's a stalker. He's just killed the girl, hence this line:" Counting the holes in your head." He's just shot her and she's dead. When he says "You're safe with me", it's NOT that she's safe at all. The guy is deranged, obsessed and stalking this person who is not returning the feelings that he has for her. He'll take "care" of her allright. He will kill her because he can't have her. The song at first sounds really sweet like he will take care of her and keep her safe. It takes several careful listens to get the full message. I thought it was sweet at first but when I really listened to it, I got his message. It's a twisted song, but I love it. :D

I will get the disc and bring it into my classroom when I come up to school tomorrow to check my email. I will post the lyrics line by line when I have the disc with me.

[~DarkstaR]

That, is roughly what I made out of the lyrics.

I too thought it was a sweet song at first...the soft melodies and all made it sound like a song of love and about someone who wants to protect the girl that he loves :D

Which album or Single is this song on? I have to admit, I only have it as MP3 right now, but I'm looking at getting as much real Mesh stuff as I can. Just ordered In This Place+The Point.

[test]

It's a b side to Not Prepared. You can also find it on the On This Tour Forever cd and video set. I highly recommend buying the Not Prepared single and if you can, the video and cd set. Mesh are incredible!!!! You can order both from the official mesh site:

http://www.mesh.co.uk

I would recommend that you pick up the German release because it has Remember Who You Were as well as Safe With Me and Not Prepared. Just scroll down and you can order that version. It's my favorite single of theirs to date. :D

I forgot to mention that this song is also on the Fragmente II album. Get that since it has all the b sides and singles from the beginning to The Point At Which It Falls Apart. It's worth the money because it has some Snare remixes. That man is pure genius!!! :D

[~DarkstaR]

I was going to get Fragmente2, but I'll have to wait some months. I've already bought too many albums this month..

Another thing about the lyrics of Mesh...Who inspired them to write those lyrics? I mean really? She has to be the most evil, self posessed, unfaithful, lying b*tch ever! She has completely ruined the poor guy's life! :) I know girls are hard to understand and evil (I would know :( ) but "this"?!

Mesh is the kind of music I would play if I had just broke up with someone, or if I'm hopelessly in love with someone who doesn't love me back etc. They have a song for almost everything and anything that can go wrong in a relation.

[test]

Originally posted by DarkstaR
I was going to get Fragmente2, but I'll have to wait some months. I've already bought too many albums this month..

Another thing about the lyrics of Mesh...Who inspired them to write those lyrics? I mean really? She has to be the most evil, self posessed, unfaithful, lying b*tch ever! She has completely ruined the poor guy's life! :) I know girls are hard to understand and evil (I would know :( ) but "this"?!

Mesh is the kind of music I would play if I had just broke up with someone, or if I'm hopelessly in love with someone who doesn't love me back etc. They have a song for almost everything and anything that can go wrong in a relation.

I don't know who pissed Mark off soo much. I do love his angry lyrics. They are great for driving and working out at the gym. :laugh:

[~interface2x]

According to an interview with him on the OTTF video, he says he just writes about stuff - some fiction, some based on other people's experiences. It's doubtful that this person exists.

Also, I always figured "Safe With Me" was about stalking to a certain extent, but I wouldn't go as far as to say he killed her or anything. I always took the line "counting the holes in your head" as the natural holes (mouth, nose, ears) / holes in her mind (i.e. where her love for him SHOULD be, but isn't). I think it's sinister, but not that sinister. ;)