View Full Version : I need your help in the future of Electrogarden!
July 15th, 2001, 02:24 AM
In an effort to keep Electrogarden operational, I am enlisting your help in some very important decision making for this site's future.
The forums have been a great success. Most of that is because Todd Durrant shut down his Delphi forums and re-directed everyone here. The forum is growing and it appears that you all are enjoying the features that it provides.
Most of you may not be aware that this site is run solely by myself. Hopefully that will help you to understand why the many features that I've wanted to implement have not been completed. The fact is, Electrogarden has taken up an immense amount of my time, money, and sleep since it's conceptualization. Now, I'm faced to re-evaluate it's existence.
A couple of weeks ago, I began to contemplate whether or not to put the site up for sale. Knowing that most people would probably not see the great value in it that I have, I've forced myself to reconsider. Now I'm turning to you, the viewers for the final word. So, consider the decision of Electrogarden's future in your hands.
Recently I've instated banner advertisement as a means to lighten the financial load. Needless to say, I've not gotten much support. I will not saturate the site with Sephora ads, or the like. I feel that the advertising rates are more than fair and the site is getting plenty of hits so why people aren't interested is beyond me.
My last option is to charge artists a setup fee for hosting a page here in the music section of Electrogarden and a small monthly fee for use of the Flash-based MP3 streamer/product purchase link. For 3 examples check out the following links:
I'm not sure what the setup fee should be, but I'm really only interested in paying for the amount of time it takes me (about 1/2 hour).
As far as a monthly fee for the streaming option, I was thinking of a $7.00 to $10.00 a month fee.
Let's open all of this up for discussion. I would like to hear what you all think.
Thanks for your patience in reading all of this. Sorry that it is so lengthy.
July 15th, 2001, 10:42 PM
Have you considered the option of having the users choose to pay for access? Something along the lines of the Premium Services that Salon is offering (although judging by the increasing desperation of Salon's pleas for people to sign up...)? Maybe something more along the lines of the Sluggy Freelance scheme, where paying $X a year gets you a username, a password and complete freedom from banner ads.
I guess a lot would depend on where the price point was. Oddly, while Salon's $30/yr for premium membership seems too steep (probably because so much of Salon's content requires that the reader shares the exact political beliefs of the writer for full enjoyment), Sluggy's $10/yr almost seems too little given how much I enjoy the site. Whether in the form of a donation or a "subscription" to premium or "ad-free" services, I know I'd be willing to pay something for access.
July 16th, 2001, 12:35 AM
Charging artists a small, reasonable fee is probably the way to go. Everyone will pay the setup charge, which I think is understandable. I presume that artists who stream from their own websites will be able to link there in order to avoid the streaming fee. While I think mp3.com's "Premium Artist Service" is highway robbery and mostly useless (not to mention a bait-and-switch), Electrogarden is not a corporation and also has the virtue of being directed specifically at a target audience.
However, I would balk at the idea of paying to use these forums -- the content on here is fun and often useful, but I would stop short of calling it "premium content" (except for the Red Flag phone call mp3, that is). I think charging people to sample in music and discussions from the modern synthpop scene probably sends the wrong message, and will deter new fans from finding this great music.
July 16th, 2001, 04:45 PM
Quick note - I voted with a "Yes, I would pay" but that's somewhat incorrect, simply because I am not an artist, and that's what you were asking about. However, had I any sort of musical talent, I would be willing to pay.
July 19th, 2001, 04:02 AM
I think if the users pay for access It would be a problem because not all people would like to pay for something they had been using free. But I think this is the better option if the amount of money is not too high.
July 19th, 2001, 12:22 PM
If there was a membership fee involved, we would essentially be competing with e-music. I signed up for the 100 free MP3 trial and I'm not happy with the selection there. They are terribly lacking good electronic music content. If we were to charge people subscription fees, we'd have to make sure that we really stayed on top of getting fresh new GOOD content on Electrogarden. That is an uphill battle in and of itself. The only solution I see is to make artists pay a fee to promote themselves. I'm an artist, and I would definitely pay to get good exposure somewhere.
Look at it this way. People have so many choices when it comes to downloading music for free. If Electrogarden charged a fee to it's visitors, they would just go somewhere else and the artists here wouldn't get seen. We pay for advertising on TV, radio, print, etc. to get our product out there and create awareness. When people are aware, they come in for a look.
Here's my proposal: Artists are charged a small fee to be hosted on Electrogarden. This fee goes toward supporting and keeping the site up. It also allows artists a place to be seen where MP3.com is so overcrowded. The idea is that since Electrogarden is an electronic music only site, you'll target your audience.
The offerings could include the following:
Your choice of either hosting your page on Electrogarden through one of our Flash templates or having a small description that links to a website of your choice like, say your site at MP3.com.
One advantage that we have is using the Flash plug in for streaming audio. I'm re-working it so that it's compatible on most all platforms and browsers. The good thing about the Flash plug in is that most of you already have it, and if you don't it's the easiest plug in to install verses the major MP3 players that you have to download. They send you a plethora of advertising and nag screens if you don't pay to upgrade them. Plus with Flash, I've devised a way for you to demo near CD quality audio but still discourage people from distributing copies of your music.
Anyway, you're thoughts on this matter would be appreciated.
July 20th, 2001, 12:53 PM
I'm all for it! I would not mind paying to use this service as an artist. I have always found Electrogarden to be a great place to find new music, and meet people in the scene. Keep up the good work Mike!
July 26th, 2001, 01:09 AM
A reasonable yearly fee to help maintain the site would be great, in exchange for which you get your stuff featured here! Beats the 20 bucks a month you have to pay for the P**S A** S**T service that mp3.com offers. (Oh, not to mention raising the prices on their D*MN cd's.
(Oh, I think I will be pulling my DAM CD off mp3.com shortly, once all my ampcast stuff is set up)
July 26th, 2001, 09:52 PM
When I suggested the idea of a user membership fee, this was very much a) something that would be voluntary and b) something that would be in addition to artists paying membership fees to have their music featured.
How you'd differentiate Paid-Up Users (tm) from Generic Users (tm), I don't know - it's not a big enough genre (or a big enough site) to be able to afford to keep a lot of material as "Premium Users Only". Maybe a little "Valued Supporter of Electrogarden" icon beside their name on the forums or something :D Me, I'd be happy just knowing I'd helped to keep the site going.
I'll be honest, it surprises me how sites manage to pay their way at all these days. I was lucky in that my old review site's peak coincided with a time when banner ads were considered the way to advertise, yet in even my best month I think ad revenue only brought in $150 or so (still, that's 10x what CDNow Cosmic Credit pulled in).
July 30th, 2001, 04:07 PM
Perhaps you could charge a nominal one-time fee for setting up bands and DJs and clubs. Like maybe $10-15.
Then, I also suggest that maybe we could do benefit CD compilations that will go to funding the site. I'm sure plenty of bands would contribute.
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